spreadbetting wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:48 pmOh dear, Jeff, I do apologise, I guess it's easy to jump to conclusions.
You're referring to guliani. I lived in New York during his tenor, it was definitely much more dangerous then than it is now. He gets a lot of credit for this reduction in crime but the fact is crime in other US cities also dropped during the same time period, and so did the national average.BetScalper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 pm
Not really. Back in the 1990s a new Mayor cleaned up New Yorks murder rate and gun crime in 6 months.
Although I don't think Amnesty International approved of some of the methods used:
- Mass stop and search.
- 3 strikes and a whole life sentence with no parole.
- Shoot first and worry about them being armed or not later.
- Rounding up and interrogating known criminals for information on drug dealing and illegal firearms.
- Recruiting and training an additional 8,000 police officers.
- Very long prison sentences for carrying knives in a public place with no good reason.
- Every night more than 100 police officers patrolling central park.
Was that down to many states introducing the 3 strikes and your out rule ?sa7med wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:54 pmYou're referring to guliani. I lived in New York during his tenor, it was definitely much more dangerous then than it is now. He gets a lot of credit for this reduction in crime but the fact is crime in other US cities also dropped during the same time period, and so did the national average.BetScalper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 pm
Not really. Back in the 1990s a new Mayor cleaned up New Yorks murder rate and gun crime in 6 months.
Although I don't think Amnesty International approved of some of the methods used:
- Mass stop and search.
- 3 strikes and a whole life sentence with no parole.
- Shoot first and worry about them being armed or not later.
- Rounding up and interrogating known criminals for information on drug dealing and illegal firearms.
- Recruiting and training an additional 8,000 police officers.
- Very long prison sentences for carrying knives in a public place with no good reason.
- Every night more than 100 police officers patrolling central park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... e_rate.png
The fact is that factors in society like crime are mostly due to forces outside of any one person's control (even if they are mayor) and the trends that are exhibited during their terms are often due to policies/societal shifts that occured over a generation ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... e_rate.png
if you like sports references, sureBetScalper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:20 pmWas that down to many states introducing the 3 strikes and your out rule ?
It's possible that that's just the way you perceive London. I travel freely around London day and night - I feel as safe as I do when I'm in my own home!SeaHorseRacing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:51 pmRant over.
London has fallen. I’m only 30 used to go regularly as a kid. Was a wonderful place.
It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited. Ever been to New York City at night in the bronx. London feels like that during the day.
You mean they don't like too many people from ethnic minorities around?BetScalper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:18 amI think people are being too polite.
What their are trying to say is that they no longer recognize certain parts of cities because they actually feel like the odd one out in their own country.
We here from politicians that the UK is a multicultural and open society. That's bullshit, that's what they want everyone to think. In many parts of the UK that is not how it is on the ground.
There was always anger but that has increased since we opened the front door and embraced everyone and their dog.
Mostly, people will just moan and basically put up with it. But you will get some that take exception too it and take matters into their own hands. Worryingly, that number has been increasing, which a leaked government report highlighted.
People should stop trying to be politically correct and just say what they mean.
Correct.Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:55 pmYou mean they don't like too many people from ethnic minorities around?BetScalper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:18 amI think people are being too polite.
What their are trying to say is that they no longer recognize certain parts of cities because they actually feel like the odd one out in their own country.
We here from politicians that the UK is a multicultural and open society. That's bullshit, that's what they want everyone to think. In many parts of the UK that is not how it is on the ground.
There was always anger but that has increased since we opened the front door and embraced everyone and their dog.
Mostly, people will just moan and basically put up with it. But you will get some that take exception too it and take matters into their own hands. Worryingly, that number has been increasing, which a leaked government report highlighted.
People should stop trying to be politically correct and just say what they mean.
+1Ferru123 wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:26 pmThe fact that I made a post that had bugger all to do with Islam - I just made an observation about stop and search - but was effectively accused of Islamophobia, illustrates how the left intoxicates political discussion.
They try to silence legitimate debate by name calling - they want people to be too afraid of saying what they think for fear of being called racist or islamophobic.
It's that kind of censorship and intolerance that makes people want to vote for someone like Trump. The likes of the BBC take great glee in s*** stirring about Trump (and Farage, for that matter), but every time they do so, they unwittingly play into their hands.
The fact that someone was recently convicted in a criminal court for making a video in which he tried to wind up his girlfriend by teaching her pet pug to do a Nazi salute shows how far into la la land this once great country has descended. I've seen the video, and it's about as racist and inflammatory as this scene from Father Ted - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x70bndpc70. Not that that stops the writer of Father Ted (@glinner on Twitter), denouncing the guy who was convicted (@countdankulaTV).
Jeff
Actually all I see are some people expressing largely respectful comments about how successive governments have utterly betrayed our white, Christian heritage; leading to feelings of anger and frustration how the country has been transformed beyond all recognition in some parts.
+1Crazyskier wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:42 pmActually all I see are some people expressing largely respectful comments about how successive governments have utterly betrayed our white, Christian heritage; leading to feelings of anger and frustration how the country has been transformed beyond all recognition in some parts.
...And that's before we start on the thousands upon thousands of grooming and child rape cases across the country (with the Police afraid to act for fear of being branded racist as it's largely one minority group attacking white girls to blame) and the beheadings in the name of Allah, 7/7 bombings, etc, etc.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are indeed Muslims.
These may be inconvenient truths for some, but the facts are undeniable, and frankly I don't see any signs of it getting better or the Imams starting to preach integration and respect for the home country's society and culture as the Hindus and Sikhs evidently have done. There are some parts of Birmingham now where I used to fish with my Dad and brothers as a lad in the 70s where EVERY single woman has her face completely covered and you'd swear you'd entered Lahore or Islamabad.
We can't change it, but we can still moan about it as we're just about still a free country, despite the best efforts of the Liberal Lefties and the BBC.
CS
Where did you get the 'thousands upon thousands' figure? If you made it up you are inciting racial hatred!Crazyskier wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:42 pm...And that's before we start on the thousands upon thousands of grooming and child rape cases across the country (with the Police afraid to act for fear of being branded racist as it's largely one minority group attacking white girls) and the beheadings in the name of Allah, 7/7 bombings, etc, etc.
Does that include all the IRA terrorists?Crazyskier wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:42 pm
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are indeed Muslims.
Racial hatred ? Where ?Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:31 pmWhere did you get the 'thousands upon thousands' figure? If you made it up you are inciting racial hatred!Crazyskier wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:42 pm...And that's before we start on the thousands upon thousands of grooming and child rape cases across the country (with the Police afraid to act for fear of being branded racist as it's largely one minority group attacking white girls) and the beheadings in the name of Allah, 7/7 bombings, etc, etc.Does that include all the IRA terrorists?Crazyskier wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:42 pm
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are indeed Muslims.
It's funny how the IRA could blow up innocent people without Christians being blamed for the crime. Some terrorists claim to be Muslim just as IRA terrorists would claim to be Christian, but true Muslims and Christians would take a different view.
