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[Derek27]

Racial hatred ? Where ?

Catholics who follow the official teaching of Rome are not Christians by biblical standards.

Exaggerating the number of crimes can stir up hatred.

I don't know much about religion but if Catholics are not Christians by biblical standards that would suggest they are Christians by some other standard?

I was brought up Catholic and was taught that we were Christian.

Who said IRA terrorists were Catholics or Christians ?, I always considered them something I scrapped off my shoe.

This is my point. Why don't people take the same view when a terrorist claims to be Muslim?

[Iron]

How do you determine who is a true follower of any religion?

I mean, isn't interpreting some ancient holy book in the hope of understanding a probably fictitious deity's often crypitically worded messages a somewhat subjective matter?

[superfrank]

Why I Am a Christian (David Wood, Former Atheist's Testimony)
https://youtu.be/DakEcY7Z5GU

Fascinating video and well worth a watch.

[BetScalper]

Racial hatred ? Where ?

Catholics who follow the official teaching of Rome are not Christians by biblical standards.

Exaggerating the number of crimes can stir up hatred.

I don't know much about religion but if Catholics are not Christians by biblical standards that would suggest they are Christians by some other standard?

I was brought up Catholic and was taught that we were Christian.

Who said IRA terrorists were Catholics or Christians ?, I always considered them something I scrapped off my shoe.

This is my point. Why don't people take the same view when a terrorist claims to be Muslim?

Derek, this is opening up a can of worms...

However, without offending anyone, I will try to explain.

The UK and probably more importantly England has not always dealt with change, easily. If you go back to the 1960s/1970s, walking around London and other major cities, you used to see on Pub doors, Rooms to rent, job vacancies which said along the lines of, No Irish or Blacks. I didn't dream it as I saw them myself. It was the norm and not the odd one here or there.

It has taken decades for peoples attitudes to change but the majority now accept them.

Now, Islam and Muslims are a different ball game and will take many more decades to become accepted, if they ever will.

Why ?

Beheadings on camera, Child sex exploitation, running down an off duty solder in London / stabbing him / virtually removing his head in public. Yes, the UK has seen some horrible crimes committed by many different cultures. But some are considered more sick than others to some when reading their morning paper over breakfast. Also, they don't do enough to integrate. Rather have their own place of worship, separate schools, own communities etc etc.

And to cap it all, we are told to accept them, hold hands and dance around a tree otherwise WE will end up on the wrong side of the debate/law.

So, maybe in 50 years time, things will be different. But don't hold your breath.

[Derek27]

It's not Muslims that's the problem - it's your association between Muslims and crime. As I mentioned earlier, Catholics didn't get blamed for every IRA bomb, the blame was directed firmly at the IRA.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what the be-headings, child sex exploitation has to do with perfectly innocent Muslims.

[Derek27]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are indeed Muslims.

Not all men are rapists, but all rapists are indeed men!

[BetScalper]

It's not Muslims that's the problem - it's your association between Muslims and crime. As I mentioned earlier, Catholics didn't get blamed for every IRA bomb, the blame was directed firmly at the IRA.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what the be-headings, child sex exploitation has to do with perfectly innocent Muslims.

Who said Catholics didn't get blamed for every IRA terrorist act ? Tell that too the 1,000s of Catholics illegally incarcerated without trial in Northern Ireland and the mainland Police going after any Irish/Catholics. Do you remember what happened after the Guildford/Birmingham bombings ?

And as for all rapists are men. You do know that women have been convicted of rape of under age children they are teaching, yes ?

[Derek27]

It's not Muslims that's the problem - it's your association between Muslims and crime. As I mentioned earlier, Catholics didn't get blamed for every IRA bomb, the blame was directed firmly at the IRA.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what the be-headings, child sex exploitation has to do with perfectly innocent Muslims.

Who said Catholics didn't get blamed for every IRA terrorist act ? Tell that too the 1,000s of Catholics illegally incarcerated without trial in Northern Ireland and the mainland Police going after any Irish/Catholics. Do you remember what happened after the Guildford/Birmingham bombings ?

And as for all rapists are men. You do know that women have been convicted of rape of under age children they are teaching, yes ?

So that justifies treating Muslims as terrorists does it?

Catholics were not blamed by the general public or as widely as Muslims are, catholic churches were not frequently vandalised after an IRA attack. A Pakistani doctor who treated the Manchester bomb victims had to put up with verbal abuse after a long shift, and it's views and attitudes similar to the ones posted to this thread that have fuelled such hatred.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 61126.html

I meant to say most men, but the whole point of that statement is that it is as meaningless as the one I quoted above it.

[BetScalper]

Derek, probably best this thread comes to an end.

You have your views and many others on here and up/down the country have there's.

If you and the government want to lock up everyone they don't agree with then you will need to increase the prison population by more than 100x, which would cost more than the NHS and bankrupt the country.

And before I get directly accused of being a racist, I married an Irish Catholic whilst i was in the British Army, which went down like a lead balloon in some quarters at the time.

[Derek27]

Derek, probably best this thread comes to an end.

You have your views and many others on here and up/down the country have there's.

If you and the government want to lock up everyone they don't agree with then you will need to increase the prison population by more than 100x, which would cost more than the NHS and bankrupt the country.

And before I get directly accused of being a racist, I married an Irish Catholic whilst i was in the British Army, which went down like a lead balloon in some quarters at the time.

I don't know where you got the impression that I want to lock anyone up???

[sa7med]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are indeed Muslims.

Who said IRA terrorists were Catholics or Christians ?, I always considered them something I scrapped off my shoe.

Did you know that more Muslims are killed by terrorism than an other religion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of ... by_country

[gutuami]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORthzIOEf30

[Crazyskier]

Who said IRA terrorists were Catholics or Christians ?, I always considered them something I scrapped off my shoe.

This is my point. Why don't people take the same view when a terrorist claims to be Muslim?

Come Derek, the difference is surely abundantly apparent? The IRA didn't kill in the name of any religion, but rather as a protest of what they saw as British occupation in the North of their country, therefore territorial. Every one of the ISIS and Muslim terrorists has claimed to be killing in the name of Islam - hence the name 'Islamic extremists' and 'Islamic Fundamentalists'.

By all means comment, but please don't muddy the waters by feigning ignorance and comparing apples and oranges.

CS

[Derek27]

That's nothing more than hijacking a religion and using Muslims as human Shields - I would expect most people to see straight though that, rather than falling for it.

[Iron]

Hi Derek

You might be interested in this debate between Ben Affleck and Sam Harris (an extremely smart bloke, and a lefty liberal who dares to buck the left wing trend of refusing to criticise islam): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

You remind me a lot of Affleck in this video.

Jeff

That's nothing more than hijacking a religion and using Muslims as human Shields - I would expect most people to see straight though that, rather than falling for it.