Today's Horse Racing

[eightbo]

Yeah guys, make sure your posts contribute some form of value here as you have entered a strictly no-fun zone fiercely regulated by those whose ideals and expectations are more deserving than your own!

Don't you remember that disclaimer you signed?!

[Halliday]

Yeah guys, make sure your posts contribute some form of value here as you have entered a strictly no-fun zone fiercely regulated by those whose ideals and expectations are more deserving than your own!

Don't you remember that disclaimer you signed?!

I think anyone is entitled to post whatever they want, but as is often said once you post on a message board, expect to receive replies that you don’t agree with or that criticise you or your views.Everyones views are valued by most I’m sure.

A lot of people desperately want to be classed as “traders “ and go to extraordinary lengths to convince themselves that they are with their posts,from the guy saying he’d rented an office and showing his trading set up,the usual trading diaries, P/L screen shots. And remarks which I’m sure are meant to be insightful into the days trading or a particular market; but as a previous poster said don’t tell anyone anything

[ruthlessimon]

But I suspect this answer will not satisfy you as you appear to be asking for me/others to do the work and then supply you with a step by step guide. Now that I would find pointless.

& here's where we hit the impasse.

A genuine pro could rightly say: "I'm not going to walk you through the key details, to making that statement work, on a forum, because an edge shared is an edge halved"

A non-pro could rightly say: "I'm not going to walk you through the key details on a forum because an edge shared is an edge halved"

The problem is the non-pro has gotten away with complete murder. He's got a totally valid argument, but wouldn't be able to back it up IRL - because they don't even know the key details themselves. Whereas the pro could. Hence why newbies can very easily get mislead by such statements

"Every strategy has a market, & every market has a strategy" is a similar impassable statement. Everyone can see that; & it's true - but I reckon only 5% know the vital theories behind making that statement work.

[Korattt]

“Every strategy has a market, & every market has a strategy”

which with the greatest of respect Simon IS true until some oik chucks in enough loot to turn the true market upside down, but I can accept that that this is part of the game, and that sometimes your well honed & practiced method gets cracked, as long as one sticks to thier rules in the long term one will be just fine

[Derek27]

The problem is the non-pro has gotten away with complete murder. He's got a totally valid argument, but wouldn't be able to back it up IRL - because they don't even know the key details themselves. Whereas the pro could. Hence why newbies can very easily get mislead by such statements.

I think you're grossly underestimating non-pro traders. You can't assume that a non-pro wouldn't know the key details or be able to explain them. He would only be deceiving if he made the statement knowing that he was unable to explain himself.

[ruthlessimon]

I think you're grossly underestimating non-pro traders. You can't assume that a non-pro wouldn't know the key details or be able to explain them. He would only be deceiving if he made the statement knowing that he was unable to explain himself.

True; but non-pro's generally don't blab stuff like this "If the runners x, y, z steam 1%, the further the fav has already drifted, a lay on the fav has an increased chance of a greater updraw." Is that because they think "every market has a strategy/not all volatility is bad" is more useful? Somehow I don't think so.

Also technically, neither statement is usable, but the first statement alludes to far more - & I think Monica would class it as far better advice

[Derek27]

& I think Monica would class it as far better advice

I knew someone would spell his/her name wrong - I almost did that myself.

[Moniac]

Eightbo it's just a flash debate, nothing to worry about.

I think people use the 'edge shared' adage to disguise the fact the edge isn't one they could described with enough detail for someone else to do the same. Experience is always a key ingredient but what is learnt from that experience is impossible to document. Otherwise experience wouldn't be necessary.

It also only seems to be used in complex situations whereas simple often very profitable 'edges' are shared without anyone batting an eyelid. Misbehaving horses, front runners, gambling yards, all edges but where's the crowds shouting foul because those have been shared. There you go, 3 edges destroyed because I mentioned them.

[ShaunWhite]

To hell with the rebranding if you're all going to take the piss
'Monica' indeed! Don't you know your computing history! I though a hydraulic computer was quite apropos. lol:

So, I'm back (to the sound of groans no doubt). That new ID felt like wearing someone else's shoes anyway. And from internet year dot I never understood why people wanted to use nicknames to create a character for themselves. I know that makes me odd but that never bothers me much.

Edges eh.

[ruthlessimon]

To hell with the rebranding if you're all going to take the piss

Sorry Shaun I'll blame my autocorrect for that one

Talking about rebranding, someone needs to take "Mr. Riddler" - & your sole purpose is to offer the vaguest advice possible

[ShaunWhite]

The last thing I want to do is to discourage people from giving advice and the nature of the beast is that it might sometimes take some 'interpretation'.

However, I think your posts on strategy development are a good example of how you can get into the detail and give people lots to think about, without them first having to think about what they're supposed to be thinking about!

That reminds me, I should look at those again, a lot of people had interesting things to say.

[SeaHorseRacing]

Do not miss this one Lads!!! (Assume there isnt any ladys here!)

2.30 Catterick DREAM FREE 19s on BF

Non trier for along time. Todays the day.

[Naffman]

Why has it been a non trier out of curiosity?

[SeaHorseRacing]

Why has it been a non trier out of curiosity?

On his 4th/5th start was upped to 1m4f with first time blinkers he showed significant improvement. They avoided running him again over that distance. Few runs later they stuck back up to 1m4f with first time cheekpieces. Than on to last seasons they avoided running at 1m4f. Nearly every run through out his careers hes been given time to come forward.

Racingpost say hes regressing. His last few races last year he came to form over shorter, but for the first time he ran 11 days than 7days.
Stuffy horse who needs to be fit to win.

We know they have really tried twice with first time blinkers at first attempt of 1m4f. Than few races later did the same with Cheeck pieces.

First run back this season Paul Hanagan booked twice. Hes had 3 very quick runs but now has been given 3 week break. In a claimer over its optimum trip.

Wants turf quick ground. Everything is perfect for a win today.

[SeaHorseRacing]

The pattern on this horse has changed significantly. He was running so well late last year that if he was running straight from a break from that performance he would be 6/1 ish.
He has the form in the book to win, its just knowbody has spotted it because his last 3 runs are deliberate hold backs imo.