Dutching game odds and over under 2.5

[richards007]

Maybe a stupid question but how can i do this in BA.
I want to back for example United and over 2.5 goals. For a same profit if either one wins.

In dutching i can do this for example with United to win and back draw also...but how can i do it with two different markets ?

Richard

[richards007]

Nobody..??

Or is it a real bewby question ?

Richard

[mister man]

good question, i too would be intertested in any reply...

[aligammack]

As far as I understand this wouldn't be classed as dutching. When dutching you are backing more than one outcome for a particular market not cross markets.

“I want to back for example United and over 2.5 goals. For a same profit if either one wins. but how can i do it with two different markets ?”

Divide the profit you want by the current odds and you will have your stake required, repeat for both match odds and under/over 2.5.
Required Profit / Current Back Odds = Stake.

I may stand corrected but I think I’m right.

[Bet Angel]

I think what you are trying to do it back one market and back another to take advantage of a theoretical arbitrage. Can you confirm?

[richards007]

.... .... i dont know if i mean what you ask BA.

What i want is to make lets say € 25 on any of the two markets i bet.
Say under 2.5 lose and match odds win i want to win € 25 and reverse. If both win i win € 50.
If both lose i lost € X.

Richard

[Leveller]

Richards, it's not that simple. What you're asking for are two different markets, so you can freely look them as two completely different bets, nevermind if the same teams are involved.

You can easily adjust your stakes to have equal profit if either bet wins... but in example you mention in your first post, back United and overs, I'm afraid it will be a loss rather than profit...

Namely, you need odds on both outcomes to be high enough so profit on one outcome to cover lost stake in other outcome; literally, overround on those two markets needs to be less than 100%, and I'm sure it's never case with United; in United's game against average team, you can get, let's say, 1.65 for United to win, and 1.80 for overs; "dutching" those two outcomes will bring you loss of more than 15% of your total stakes...

I created a small spreadsheet to help you calculate these cases; you need to start from total stake you're willing to invest, i.e., maximum amount you would lose in case of both losing bets; then enter odds and commission, and you'll get stakes for each bet and possible profits. Enter data only in those four yellow cells.

Field "overround" will show you if your dutching is feasible - if it's higher than 100%, you'll lose if either bet loses; if it's lower than 100%, you can get some profit by winning only one bet.

Note that overround in this sheet includes commission; for example, if you have both odds evens, that should be overround of exactly 100%, i.e., you would break even in case of one winning bet; though, here it's not the case, you would lose a couple of percents, due to commission.

[richards007]

Hello Leveller,

Thanx for the answers and the excel sheet, thats what i was looking for !

Greetings
Richard

[Leveller]

You welcome, glad it's sorted now!

I have just noticed one small flaw in that Excel; stakes and profits are accurate, but field "Overround" did not take commission into calculation - overround is not needed for calculation of stakes, so when I started making that spreadsheet, I put worst case commission 5% (factor 0.95 in there), and later on I forgot to change it; so, if you would put any other level of commission, it would still return overround with commission of 5%... I have changed it now, new file is here, sorry!