Today's Horse Racing
Are you telling me you wouldn't lay a rank outsider at 1.1 if somebody put in an order at that price, because it's obviously a mistake?spreadbetting wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pmDidn't get away with it this time but you obviously have in the past.
Surely you can see the hypocrisy of criticising someones morals for selling systems when you're looking to take advantage of punters whose bets have already lost just because Betfair are more incompetent during the night shift. At least those system punters get a chance of winning and the fact Betfair are complicit too hardly makes it OK, I'm not sure anyone should look to Betfair as some moral guardian.
If somebody laid a horse at 6 and obviously didn't realise the odds on favourite has been pulled out of the race and the horse should be 2.8, would you not take that?
If you saw a horse yards from the finishing line 20 lengths clear of the field you would jump on it at 1.5. Now you're telling me if its nose just crossed the line you'd suddenly refrain from clicking!
Betting is all about finding outstanding value. 1.5 on a horse that's already won the race, is very much, outstanding value. If you think it's immoral to take it, what's moral about backing a horse at 16-1 that you know has a much better chance - aren't you ripping the layer off?
I'm afraid ripping people off is part of betting and actually the aim of the game - the greater the value in the bet, the more ripping off you're doing. It's not comparable to making false claims about systems.
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I'm not sure ripping people off with bets they can't possibly win could be considered offering them any value whatsoever, Derek, but always good to know where that moral compass pointsDerek27 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:54 pmAre you telling me you wouldn't lay a rank outsider at 1.1 if somebody put in an order at that price, because it's obviously a mistake?spreadbetting wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pmDidn't get away with it this time but you obviously have in the past.
Surely you can see the hypocrisy of criticising someones morals for selling systems when you're looking to take advantage of punters whose bets have already lost just because Betfair are more incompetent during the night shift. At least those system punters get a chance of winning and the fact Betfair are complicit too hardly makes it OK, I'm not sure anyone should look to Betfair as some moral guardian.
If somebody laid a horse at 6 and obviously didn't realise the odds on favourite has been pulled out of the race and the horse should be 2.8, would you not take that?
If you saw a horse yards from the finishing line 20 lengths clear of the field you would jump on it at 1.5. Now you're telling me if its nose just crossed the line you'd suddenly refrain from clicking!
Betting is all about finding outstanding value. 1.5 on a horse that's already won the race, is very much, outstanding value. If you think it's immoral to take it, what's moral about backing a horse at 16-1 that you know has a much better chance - aren't you ripping the layer off?
I'm afraid ripping people off is part of betting and actually the aim of the game - the greater the value in the bet, the more ripping off you're doing. It's not comparable to making false claims about systems.
It's wrong to sell systems but fine to rip off punters by taking bets they can't possibly win in the hope they'll sneak thru Betfair's lax settlement procedures, check.Betting isn't about offering other people value - it's all about taking value for yourself. That's exactly what you're doing when you trade!spreadbetting wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:37 pmI'm not sure ripping people off with bets they can't possibly win could be considered offering them any value whatsoever, Derek, but always good to know where that moral compass points
Given that the live feed was freely available it's most likely it was a bot offering 1.5. Bots use their speed to take advantage of me, so why not take advantage of their failures, it's all part and parcel of betting.
As a matter of interest SB, what's your position on backing the only standing horse left in a chase, if people are laying it at 1.01?
He would have nothing to gain by greening up. If the horse finishes he wins. If he doesn't finish - no finishers, all bets voided.
The question is, is it immoral to take advantage?
My view is that simply winning fair and square on Betfair is taking advantage of people who ultimately lose.
Personally speaking, I couldn't in good conscious knowingly take a bet in these circumstancesspreadbetting wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pmDidn't get away with it this time but you obviously have in the past.
Surely you can see the hypocrisy of criticising someones morals for selling systems when you're looking to take advantage of punters whose bets have already lost just because Betfair are more incompetent during the night shift. At least those system punters get a chance of winning and the fact Betfair are complicit too hardly makes it OK, I'm not sure anyone should look to Betfair as some moral guardian.
Would you have an issue with taking a fat finger offer, which is highly likely a mistake or malfunctioning bot?Dallas wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:08 pmPersonally speaking, I couldn't in good conscious knowingly take a bet in these circumstancesspreadbetting wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pmDidn't get away with it this time but you obviously have in the past.
Surely you can see the hypocrisy of criticising someones morals for selling systems when you're looking to take advantage of punters whose bets have already lost just because Betfair are more incompetent during the night shift. At least those system punters get a chance of winning and the fact Betfair are complicit too hardly makes it OK, I'm not sure anyone should look to Betfair as some moral guardian.