Today's Horse Racing

[PDC]

Bath on Wednesday looks terrible.

2 runners
3 runners
5 runners
5 runners
7 runners
4 runners
5 runners



And that is before the inevitable overnight and on the day withdrawals.

[dragontrades]

Another wild drift 2.5 to 4.5

[dragontrades]

Turquoise Bay.
can someone post that chart?

[Dallas]

Turquoise Bay.
can someone post that chart?

https://twitter.com/betangel/status/1021832804106203136

[Euler]

Bath on Wednesday looks terrible.

2 runners
3 runners
5 runners
5 runners
7 runners
4 runners
5 runners



And that is before the inevitable overnight and on the day withdrawals.

That's shockingly bad

[Euler]

I've enjoyed the week so far. Couldn't get to grips with last week, but this week is generally bubbling along fine.

[dragontrades]

that was not funny WTF was going on with the suspensions at Ballinrobe?

[Euler]

Looks like Betfair accidentally removed a runner from the 20:20

[Derek27]

We're not talking about you laying trap bets or bets at poor value, we're simply talking about your "past post" bets. They're placing the bets in good faith unaware the result is known , your sole intention is to take their bet in the hope Betfair's incompetence at managing markets mean you can "rip them off", as you so eloquently put it earlier.

Sorry, I don't see any difference between 'trap bets' and 'past post' bets - they're much the same to me. I would argue it's hypocritical to snap up a fat finger offer but say what I did the other day is immoral.

From the Betfair horse racing page: Please also be aware that other Betfair customers may have access to data that is faster and/or more accurate than the data shown on the Betfair site. If you rely on this data to place bets, you do so entirely at your own risk.

He was warned. The Betfair live feed was freely available to anyone with a Betfair account and with US racing you don't even have to place a bet to watch the race. If a horse is backed from 4.2>1.5, 10 minutes after off time, somebody backs it without questioning if the race has started, possible imminent withdrawal, something else may be happening that that they're unaware of, and still chooses to trade with a blindfold on, even people who disagree with me may have little sympathy if he complains he's been robbed!

You keep saying somebody on the end of my past post bet can't win. Well actually they can - they could back the winner instead of laying it. I'm not privileged to any information that they're not.

Anyway enjoy your trip to the pub someone may have left a wallet unattended if you're lucky.

I trust you're not being serious about that but for your information, just a few weeks ago somebody left their £50 cashback at the self-service checkout. I did exactly what anybody else on this forum would do!

[ShaunWhite]

just a few weeks ago somebody left their £50 cashback at the self-service checkout. I did exactly what anybody else on this forum would do!

I found a wallet in the supermarket carpark with £300 in it, decided to take it to the address on the driving licence rather than let Tesco's Lost & Found pocket it, and the guy gave me £50. Best reward was seeing how happy he was because they looked pretty hard up. He was gobsmacked. I was happy, he was deleriously happy, result.

Talking of money, dug out some shorts I hadn't worn for years for the hot weather (calm down ladies)...found £40 in the pocket

[Derek27]

I shop at a large Morrisons supermarket and know the staff quite well. Staff are brilliant, checkout girls are beautiful, I would have no problem handing back lost property and trusting them with it.

I left a laptop bag at the checkout before. Although no laptop in it there were a few valuable items including my phone and I got it all back.

[Euler]

Traders provide liquidity and better prices for punters and other types in the market, for that we need some sort of reward. Average yields from trading are quite small so I never feel guilty putting my balls on the line with tons of money each day for that small % return. Getting your balls chopped off is painful and happens now and again. But that's trading for you, you accept both sides of the coin.

[Derek27]

Are you telling me you wouldn't lay a rank outsider at 1.1 if somebody put in an order at that price, because it's obviously a mistake?

If somebody laid a horse at 6 and obviously didn't realise the odds on favourite has been pulled out of the race and the horse should be 2.8, would you not take that?

It's interesting SB, that you've avoided this question?

Dallas, although not so vocal, appears to have a similar point of view ("Personally speaking, I couldn't in good conscious knowingly take a bet in these circumstances"), but when I asked him the same question he didn't reply either?

Perhaps if either of you could explain the difference between ripping off somebody who backs a horse that's already lost, at any price, and ripping off somebody who backs an outsider at 1.01 who hasn't lost because the market is pre-race, I'll reconsider my moral position.

My view at the moment is that it's much the same thing.

[napshnap]

There shouldn't be any moral questions regarding exchanges, only clear and understandable rules. It's a game, it's your problem that you're too stupid or lazy to understand and accept the rules. It's not a poorhouse. It's a pure social Darwinism area here.

If I'll ever see that someone missclicked and his big fat juicy back bet is still there (1.01 for example) I'll gonna shred it to pieces, in fact that's what some of my bots are looking for.

BUT, real life is different. In real life, I once returned cellphone to its owner: he dropped it and was about to leave. I do not accept social Darwinism in everyday life.

[Dallas]

Are you telling me you wouldn't lay a rank outsider at 1.1 if somebody put in an order at that price, because it's obviously a mistake?

If somebody laid a horse at 6 and obviously didn't realise the odds on favourite has been pulled out of the race and the horse should be 2.8, would you not take that?

It's interesting SB, that you've avoided this question?

Dallas, although not so vocal, appears to have a similar point of view ("Personally speaking, I couldn't in good conscious knowingly take a bet in these circumstances"), but when I asked him the same question he didn't reply either?

Perhaps if either of you could explain the difference between ripping off somebody who backs a horse that's already lost, at any price, and ripping off somebody who backs an outsider at 1.01 who hasn't lost because the market is pre-race, I'll reconsider my moral position.

My view at the moment is that it's much the same thing.

Taking advantage of or being on the receiving end of a miss click/firing bot is part and parcel of trading on an exchange, your betting into an open market and it’s up to you to understand the rules and accept responsibility for the bets you place.

Placing post bets to take someone’s unmatched money ‘after’ the market has finished, and the outcome is known when the exchange operator should have suspended and stopped any more bets being matched is completely different.

I’m a bit surprised this is still ongoing tbh, I think my original comment on the subject was a few days ago and about 5 pages back now but if someone wants to do it that’s fine and is up to them, it’s just not something I would personally engage in