Can you Facetime a tennis match?

[Derek27]

This thread reminds me of me and my brothers planning a night-time break-in and robbery of a post office, when I was ten-years-old!

I don't think my older brother was being serious about it, but I was.

At least the plan didn't involve anything elaborate out of a spy movie, I was just going to be the lookout guy.

[BetScalper]

If you hide your phone well enough, can you Facetime a tennis match?
I know this is not allowed, but do you think this is feasable? I was said that for football there are too many people, so the 3G/4G internet connection is not good enough. Has anybody ever managed to Facetime during a tennis game? I guess there might be wifi networks accessible for some tournaments, from the field.

If you want to make some serious money then learn to card count. Just don’t get caught doing it in Vegas, otherwise you might end up being buried under the casino.

[pdenoeud]

I wish you luck whatever you do

Remind me, who's he trying to take money from?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't do live football & tennis, but isn't this guy just trying to get an edge on everyone here who does? I can't understand why people seem to be genuinely trying to help.

pdenoeud, put my mind at ease and tell everyone that nobody here will lose a penny to you and your scheme, and explain who you think is going to be lining your pockets?

Am I just being cynical, or are you lot all being mugged off by a guy with more front than Brighton.

ShaunWhite, the goal of forums is sometimes to share ideas who will then might benefit some of us. Ideas and informatin are posted to all, everyone (so you too) is able to use it or not. If it really gives an edge, fell free to use the information shared I am pretty sure yourself elaborated profitable strategy ideas from forum posts/youtube videos,... those profitable strategies, by definition, take the money from other punters.

[pdenoeud]

Have you actually traded tennis and made money from it at home, giving you the impression you could do so much better at courtside?

Or are you a failure at tennis trading thinking being at courtside will turn things around?

Or have you never traded tennis and think anyone can win at courtside regardless of their trading ability?

I am just a newbie in sport betting trading, investigating different ways to make money. Often you need a new idea, to think out of the box, or a specific edge to make money on a market full of talented traders.

The main issue I face here is to back test strategies. As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance. BAck testing by hand takes ages, and you often need to back test a lot of strategies/input parameters before finding a profitable strategy.

[ShaunWhite]

As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance.

You'll find there are lots of people doing that here, in almost as many different ways.

You might be new so enthusiasm is good but remember that 100s of people worldwide have been doing this full time for almost 20yrs. Let's say just 100. That's 2000 devious scheming plotting man years. And before that almost 200 years of gambling in general. You'll need more than a phone in a hat.

[pdenoeud]

You'll need more than a phone in a hat.

Thakns to this thread, I gave up this idea, without loosing too much time on it

[pdenoeud]

As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance.

You'll find there are lots of people doing that here, in almost as many different ways.

I am very surprised because I looked for such automated tools for a while and could not find anything. I'll keep on investigating then. Thanks!

[Derek27]

Have you actually traded tennis and made money from it at home, giving you the impression you could do so much better at courtside?

Or are you a failure at tennis trading thinking being at courtside will turn things around?

Or have you never traded tennis and think anyone can win at courtside regardless of their trading ability?

I am just a newbie in sport betting trading, investigating different ways to make money. Often you need a new idea, to think out of the box, or a specific edge to make money on a market full of talented traders.

The main issue I face here is to back test strategies. As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance. BAck testing by hand takes ages, and you often need to back test a lot of strategies/input parameters before finding a profitable strategy.

Most successful traders will have thought up and investigated dozens of ideas before finding a strategy that works. Pleased to hear you've given up the idea, but my advice to any newbie is don't invest a disproportionate amount of time and money in one idea. It's only when you've had one or two nearly successful ideas (or successful) and the iron starts getting hot when it becomes worthwhile investing more resources in investigating.

[Derek27]

Have you thought of trying manual tennis trading, to small stakes?

A bit of experience at trading matches manually may give you a few ideas for automation or the basis to form strategies.

[ShaunWhite]

I am very surprised because I looked for such automated tools for a while and could not find anything. I'll keep on investigating then. Thanks!

People write their own or commission bespoke systems.

The elephant in the room is data, it can't be retained for commercial purposes under the betfair licencing agreement. And any product that claimed to harvest data for personal use to the extent you'd require would have a tough legal time too.

It's also unlikely that such a niche product with sufficient complexity would be commercially viable. Even the best selling front end (BA) barely covers dev and support cos apparently and that's quite believable.

Maybe other people know differently but I've never heard of one mentioned here, and here's the most likely place to hear of one.

[pdenoeud]

Have you thought of trying manual tennis trading, to small stakes?

A bit of experience at trading matches manually may give you a few ideas for automation or the basis to form strategies.

I did not try manual trading yet, I did spend long time watching the evolution of odds depending on the evolution of scroes (game point, break point, set point, tie breaks,...).
My guess is that elaborating a profitable strategy usually goes through the following steps:
- watch the behaviour of the markets, trying to find profitable strategies
- test manually each strategy live with small stakes
- once confirmed, increase the stakes
- if possible, automate the strategy

You can also back test manually strategies with a time machine using BF historical data. I did not test it yet.

The issue is that testing live strategies with small stakes , or better backtesting manually with time machine, takes a long time, and you often test a lot of unsucessfull strategies before finding a profitable one.

With a back testing tool (which needs to be developped), it would be:
- watch the behaviour of the markets, trying to find profitable strategies
- implement the algorythm for each strategy
- back test each strategy algorythm
- run the profitable algorythm live, with small stakes first then bigger stakes

A back testing tool would definitively help a lot. I am an IT engineer, I could write one but it will take me very long. I am not sure I want to take that path, when the final incomes are not certain, of course
Another issue about automation is to get the tennis (or other sport) score live, with a reasonable delay...

[pdenoeud]

It's also unlikely that such a niche product with sufficient complexity would be commercially viable. Even the best selling front end (BA) barely covers dev and support cos apparently and that's quite believable.

Indeed, the incomes to expect would be the hypothetical incomes generated by the strategies elaborated thanks to the back testing tool. It is a lot of work... maybe for nothing

[Dallas]

Another issue about automation is to get the tennis (or other sport) score live, with a reasonable delay...

The live scores via BF are almost instant, all my tennis automated files are triggered by scores,

There are a few examples files here if you wanted to test the automation capabilities
viewforum.php?f=51

Or id your manually trading the Tennis Trader tool in Bet Anel Pro is invaluable
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13251

[boardrep]

I would urge anyone new to Tennis trader to be careful with automation linked to the live scores if their automation relies upon the correct server being identified as shown today in the Puig Woz match


Another issue about automation is to get the tennis (or other sport) score live, with a reasonable delay...
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The live scores via BF are almost instant, all my tennis automated files are triggered by scores,

There are a few examples files here if you wanted to test the automation capabilities
viewforum.php?f=51

Or id your manually trading the Tennis Trader tool in Bet Anel Pro is invaluable
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13251
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[pdenoeud]

I would urge anyone new to Tennis trader to be careful with automation linked to the live scores if their automation relies upon the correct server being identified as shown today in the Puig Woz match .

Yes I saw that, the predicted odds are far from real odds. I did not understand your post @boardrep, is it due to a wrong server being used?
Is that kind of odds big mismatch frequent?