EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

[BetBuddy]

if Boris loses a no confidence vote and refuses to resign, the only person who can remove him is the Queen.

2 falls, 2 submissions or a knockout. Ding ding.
Maybe Kendo Nagaski can lend the Queen his mask.

Is that why Boris thinks its a good idea to have 10,000 more prison places, is he expecting trouble in the event of Brexit being scuppered ?

Would be funny if the fallout was like in Hong Kong with millions causing the state serious grief. We don't have the Police or Armed Forces numbers to prevent havoc on that type of scale.

Or maybe the Brexit voting public will just say, o well we tried, never mind.

[greenmark]

if Boris loses a no confidence vote and refuses to resign, the only person who can remove him is the Queen.

2 falls, 2 submissions or a knockout. Ding ding.
Maybe Kendo Nagaski can lend the Queen his mask.

Is that why Boris thinks its a good idea to have 10,000 more prison places, is he expecting trouble in the event of Brexit being scuppered ?

Would be funny if the fallout was like in Hong Kong with millions causing the state serious grief. We don't have the Police or Armed Forces numbers to prevent havoc on that type of scale.

Or maybe the Brexit voting public will just say, o well we tried, never mind.

That would be the 52% rather than the 48% remain?

[superfrank]

It's silly season and hardline Remainers are getting carried away with themselves, egged on by the London media.

How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? It's a complete nonsense and very unlikely to happen imho.

[BetBuddy]

It's silly season and hardline Remainers are getting carried away with themselves, egged on by the London media.

How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? It's a complete nonsense and very unlikely to happen imho.

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[firlandsfarm]

It's silly season and hardline Remainers are getting carried away with themselves, egged on by the London media.

How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? It's a complete nonsense and very unlikely to happen imho.

Not only that Frank but the alternative leader of such a Government being spouted by the Not Corbyn brigade is "someone neutral like Ken Clarke" … neutral? But I could swear he is a Remainer! So Remainers are neutral now! Is there no end to their attempts to distort democracy?

[greenmark]

It's silly season and hardline Remainers are getting carried away with themselves, egged on by the London media.

How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? It's a complete nonsense and very unlikely to happen imho.

Not only that Frank but the alternative leader of such a Government being spouted by the Not Corbyn brigade is "someone neutral like Ken Clarke" … neutral? But I could swear he is a Remainer! So Remainers are neutral now! Is there no end to their attempts to distort democracy?

With the greatest of respect, this is democracy. It's about the representatives of the people acting either on the whip or on conscience. This is a generational decision and should not be whipped.
This is democracy at its most visceral and should be allowed to play out, not stunted by prorogation.
The alternatives are dictatorship or anarchy.

[BetBuddy]

It's silly season and hardline Remainers are getting carried away with themselves, egged on by the London media.

How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? It's a complete nonsense and very unlikely to happen imho.

Not only that Frank but the alternative leader of such a Government being spouted by the Not Corbyn brigade is "someone neutral like Ken Clarke" … neutral? But I could swear he is a Remainer! So Remainers are neutral now! Is there no end to their attempts to distort democracy?

With the greatest of respect, this is democracy. It's about the representatives of the people acting either on the whip or on conscience. This is a generational decision and should not be whipped.
This is democracy at its most visceral and should be allowed to play out, not stunted by prorogation.
The alternatives are dictatorship or anarchy.

Not seeing through the original vote will see Anarchy and I wouldn’t want to be an MP as they and their families will need allot of security. You will get further divisions for a generation and people totally switching off from politics and being drawn to extremes.

[firlandsfarm]

With the greatest of respect, this is democracy. It's about the representatives of the people acting either on the whip or on conscience. This is a generational decision and should not be whipped.
This is democracy at its most visceral and should be allowed to play out, not stunted by prorogation.
The alternatives are dictatorship or anarchy.

With even greater respect you cannot claim to have a democracy when the person with the vote in Parliament is doing so against the wishes of the majority of those they represent. On that basis the votes of the people are meaningless and worthless if their representative can say "I know the majority of you want me to support "X" but I don't agree with you and as I am arrogant and can misuse your votes to my personal ends I am going to do what I want to do and screw you". What definition of democracy does that fall within? It's an unstable basis on which to build a democracy. An MP's job is to represent the wishes of their constituents not to dictate to them. That is by definition a dictatorship. How can a Remoaning MP claim to be democratic if they vote against their constituency majority. That is a clear abuse of democracy more at home in China and Russia.

Anyway, to reply to your specific points …

My comment was within the context of the Remoaner camp's claim that Ken Clarke, a tried and tested 100% Remainer, is a neutral. How can choosing a non-neutral leader be neutral? The kind of mindset required to think it is neutral just about sums up the arrogance and misplaced self belief of the rightfulness of the Remoan camp.

Any whipping by the Conservatives would only be in respect of fulfilling the decision to Leave, it is Labour who are whipping politically because they see no Parliamentary agreement as a route to a GE and the hope that JC will spin a few more vote buying bandwagons and get into No. 10. They are not agreeing with the snowflakes, they are buying them.

And if the Remoan camp is so keen to claim that it's only democratic to have another vote just 3 or 4 years after the 2016 referendum why didn't they push for a repeat of the 1975 referendum in 1979 … 1983 … 1987 … 1991 and every 4 years thereafter? Could it be because they change their definition of democracy depending on the last result declared?

[Black Ice]

"How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? "
EXACTLY!!!

[Dallas]

I saw an interesting poll this week (have to see if I can find it) but the question was put to a few hundred MP's and several thousand voters

Are MP's elected to do the bidding of their constituents, or are they elected to do what they believe is in their constituents best interests?

80% of MP's believe they are elected to do whatever they think is in their constituents best interests
64% of voters believe they elect MP's to do their bidding and carry out their wishes
(I may be a few % wrong on that 64% figure but it was in its 60s somewhere)

[to75ne]

"How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? "
EXACTLY!!!

i assumed a government of national unity was about representing all views/eveyone ( not just 48% the other 52% as well) to prevent leaving the eu without a deal, not to prevent leaving the eu.

[BetBuddy]

"How can you have a "Government of National Unity" representing the views of a subset of the losing 48% minority? "
EXACTLY!!!

i assumed a government of national unity was about representing all views/eveyone ( not just 48% the other 52% as well) to prevent leaving the eu without a deal, not to prevent leaving the eu.

It’s very clear that they don’t want to leave the EU at any cost.

The UK is on collision course for citizen to fight citizen. Then you will see the true cost with lives lost.

[greenmark]

So the democratic solution to the parliamentary impasse is a GE. Then remainer constituency's can eject their remainer MP's. That would secure a majority and they can get on with it, whether we get a deal or exit with none.
Who knows what would happen at the Irish border and the conequences for the Good Friday agreement if it becomes a hard border.

Or the GE doesn't change the makeup of parliament and we're back to square one.

It's a total mess.

[superfrank]

There is only an impasse because MPs are refusing to implement the result of the referendum. They have no mandate for this.

An estimated 406 constituencies voted to Leave vs 242 to Remain.
https://fullfact.org/online/referendum- ... stituency/

Remainers are not trying to prevent No Deal, they're trying to prevent Brexit and the public knows it.

All this nonsense about alternative governments reminds me of the Rory Stewart for Tory leader campaign - it was simply what Remainers and the media wanted to happen, and they got carried away with themselves, just like now.

[Archangel]

Its quite funny that the EU gets blamed for blocking Brexit , when its Britains own parliament thats actually blocking it.