Martial Arts & Trading

[FingersCrossed]

Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?
If so, are you using any of your skills/insights applied to trading?
I guess, to non-practitioners, that sounds like a very odd question but I have found several areas of crossover and wondered if anyone else here has found the same? I think the internal arts are more useful in this case. Though the aspects of deliberate practice, discipline etc. are common to all, and can be applied, I'm interested to know if anyone else is using the more subtle aspects?

[Dallas]

Not sure if this counts but I'd expect there are a few on here who have given there desk or keyboard the odd karate chop from time to time

[FingersCrossed]

Not sure if this counts but I'd expect there are a few on here who have given there desk or keyboard the odd karate chop from time to time

I think we've all been tempted to do that

[Kai]

Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?
If so, are you using any of your skills/insights applied to trading?
I guess, to non-practitioners, that sounds like a very odd question but I have found several areas of crossover and wondered if anyone else here has found the same? I think the internal arts are more useful in this case. Though the aspects of deliberate practice, discipline etc. are common to all, and can be applied, I'm interested to know if anyone else is using the more subtle aspects?

I'm afraid the newer generations do not care much for martial arts, this is a generation of keyboard warriors and one must be well-versed in the dark arts of shiposting to defend against them, not to mention thick-skinned.

But I can imagine the many benefits of practicing martial arts in general, every little bit helps, don't mind hearing more about it if you've found some interesting crossover points.

[trader44]

"Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?" in answer to your question i have done a few martial arts to a decent standard t but when i found trading having never gambled before i turned into a mad gambler trading seemed to bring out the worst habits in me .. anyway years later i am full time with having learnt to manage my habits ( which still want to come back most days )
but not sure where my previous martial arts experience came in..

[mcgoo]

Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?
If so, are you using any of your skills/insights applied to trading?
I guess, to non-practitioners, that sounds like a very odd question but I have found several areas of crossover and wondered if anyone else here has found the same? I think the internal arts are more useful in this case. Though the aspects of deliberate practice, discipline etc. are common to all, and can be applied, I'm interested to know if anyone else is using the more subtle aspects?

Yes, Shaolin Boxing, Karate and Aikido (in 3 countries since the age of 18 on and off depending on travel and lifestyle at the time) The Aikido Sensei in Brisbane is a true Master in every sense and teaches martial arts as a way for people to polish their spirit The parallels with trading are many but discipline, being able to be honest with yourself ( grabbing a 6'5 monster 3rd Dan and applying a joint lock as a white belt is always a lesson in humility )about progress and patience( I reckon it takes 10 years to apply Aikido skilfully) are a few of them that I am reminded of when trading. Sensei says the only way to get strong at Aikido is through humility.Trading definitely ticks that box . Sensei can lock your joints at a touch and it has been such a treasure to find a true Master, similar to those that I had read about in books as a boy. It is very tough learning to trade without hands on instruction but this forum seems to be full of mastery so I try to take the learning from all. As Sensei always says " The Master is the Student and the Student is the Master"

[Kai]

Yes, Shaolin Boxing, Karate and Aikido (in 3 countries since the age of 18 on and off depending on travel and lifestyle at the time)

That's impressive, you're practically a real life ninja That would explain the avatar! My father and his friends were into martial arts in the 80s, wish I shared a bit of that passion but it never rubbed off on me, I've only gotten into fitness which looks like my next big passion after trading. I think you have to do a lot more than care about results in general, you have to really enjoy the journey as well

[FingersCrossed]

Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?
If so, are you using any of your skills/insights applied to trading?
I guess, to non-practitioners, that sounds like a very odd question but I have found several areas of crossover and wondered if anyone else here has found the same? I think the internal arts are more useful in this case. Though the aspects of deliberate practice, discipline etc. are common to all, and can be applied, I'm interested to know if anyone else is using the more subtle aspects?

I'm afraid the newer generations do not care much for martial arts, this is a generation of keyboard warriors and one must be well-versed in the dark arts of shiposting to defend against them, not to mention thick-skinned.

But I can imagine the many benefits of practicing martial arts in general, every little bit helps, don't mind hearing more about it if you've found some interesting crossover points.

I agree Kai, generally speaking, younger people seem to be much less 'physical' than in previous generations, which is a shame. I'm sure this thread will tease out some interesting points for discussion. One useful cossover I found is 'Wu Wei' which litterally means 'Do Nothing' but is better described (in relation to trading) as 'Do nothing until the moment is right' I know this sounds like common sense, and it is, but it's very difficult for a new trader to achieve. Applying Wu Wei is active, a state of being observant and trying to see the most opportune moment to 'strike'.

[FingersCrossed]

"Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?" in answer to your question i have done a few martial arts to a decent standard t but when i found trading having never gambled before i turned into a mad gambler trading seemed to bring out the worst habits in me .. anyway years later i am full time with having learnt to manage my habits ( which still want to come back most days )
but not sure where my previous martial arts experience came in..

Must be the dicipline Trader44

[FingersCrossed]

Just wondering if there are any other martial artists here ?
If so, are you using any of your skills/insights applied to trading?
I guess, to non-practitioners, that sounds like a very odd question but I have found several areas of crossover and wondered if anyone else here has found the same? I think the internal arts are more useful in this case. Though the aspects of deliberate practice, discipline etc. are common to all, and can be applied, I'm interested to know if anyone else is using the more subtle aspects?

Yes, Shaolin Boxing, Karate and Aikido (in 3 countries since the age of 18 on and off depending on travel and lifestyle at the time) The Aikido Sensei in Brisbane is a true Master in every sense and teaches martial arts as a way for people to polish their spirit The parallels with trading are many but discipline, being able to be honest with yourself ( grabbing a 6'5 monster 3rd Dan and applying a joint lock as a white belt is always a lesson in humility )about progress and patience( I reckon it takes 10 years to apply Aikido skilfully) are a few of them that I am reminded of when trading. Sensei says the only way to get strong at Aikido is through humility.Trading definitely ticks that box . Sensei can lock your joints at a touch and it has been such a treasure to find a true Master, similar to those that I had read about in books as a boy. It is very tough learning to trade without hands on instruction but this forum seems to be full of mastery so I try to take the learning from all. As Sensei always says " The Master is the Student and the Student is the Master"

Yes, Mcgoo, I agree with everything you said, humility and being honest with yourself are critical. If you can't do that I don't think you can progress in either field. A true master is a joy to find, but everyone on this forum alredy knows that . Are you no-longer practicing your art?

[trader44]

Just to add theres certainly a difference between imagining you can use your martial arts training in a real fight and the reality of it as i found to my detriment when i was younger i think a lot of martial arts are for the internal side but not that effective in the real world unless obviously you get in first with some technique that floors them first thers a lot of self proclaimed masters out there that teach people ridiculous things such as the chi masters throwing their students all over the place without actually touching them merely using the power of chi these people actually believe it works check some of these guys out the guy talking at the begining is the former / bouncer/ufc heavyweight champion and pancrase fighter as well as running self defence courses..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXdxDbi008

[mcgoo]

Yes, Shaolin Boxing, Karate and Aikido (in 3 countries since the age of 18 on and off depending on travel and lifestyle at the time)

That's impressive, you're practically a real life ninja That would explain the avatar! My father and his friends were into martial arts in the 80s, wish I shared a bit of that passion but it never rubbed off on me, I've only gotten into fitness which looks like my next big passion after trading. I think you have to do a lot more than care about results in general, you have to really enjoy the journey as well

Very far from it Kai though some of Sensei's students are very impressive human beings and martial artists.

Yes, Mcgoo, I agree with everything you said, humility and being honest with yourself are critical. If you can't do that I don't think you can progress in either field. A true master is a joy to find, but everyone on this forum alredy knows that . Are you no-longer practicing your art?

Crippling arthritis stopped me but Sensei helped me with that too, to the point where I can work out and stay fit which is nothing short of miraculous according to my doctors but that's another story the polishing of spirit is a lifelong task (especially for me) though. I still visit Sensei every week.

Just to add theres certainly a difference between imagining you can use your martial arts training in a real fight and the reality of it as i found to my detriment when i was younger i think a lot of martial arts are for the internal side but not that effective in the real world unless obviously you get in first with some technique that floors them first thers a lot of self proclaimed masters out there that teach people ridiculous things such as the chi masters throwing their students all over the place without actually touching them merely using the power of chi these people actually believe it works check some of these guys out the guy talking at the begining is the former / bouncer/ufc heavyweight champion and pancrase fighter as well as running self defence courses..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXdxDbi008

Yes, hard training for a real situations is important. Mori Sensei seems to really dislike the fakers out there giving real martial artists a bad name.To be honest though, if I hadn't felt Aiki Waza I would have dismissed it as fake too. It is interesting to see people feel it for the first time and watch their world view get disrupted a little Some of Sensei's stories about disbelieving special forces soldiers who come for instruction (and test him out) are very funny.

[FingersCrossed]

Just to add theres certainly a difference between imagining you can use your martial arts training in a real fight and the reality of it as i found to my detriment when i was younger i think a lot of martial arts are for the internal side but not that effective in the real world unless obviously you get in first with some technique that floors them first thers a lot of self proclaimed masters out there that teach people ridiculous things such as the chi masters throwing their students all over the place without actually touching them merely using the power of chi these people actually believe it works check some of these guys out the guy talking at the begining is the former / bouncer/ufc heavyweight champion and pancrase fighter as well as running self defence courses..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXdxDbi008

Thanks for the video Imagining you can do it in a real situation can be very dangerous The internal side of the arts is facinating, Chi, & Chi expression is a real thing, a very subtle thing. I am not defending the 'master' in the video nor am I saying his chi caused the movement of the other person - from my perspective (assuming there is a real expression of Chi) The person jumps backwards to stop falling over - the Chi is not pushing the person at that point, Chi is not causing that, it is simply a reaction to what happened a second or two before, I would also say (in the Video) there is a 'master' and a group of 'students' and I think that can work like 'The Emporers new clothes', Which student would say 'Nope, Didn't feel a thing' ? and so the (re)actions become exagerated and the outcome is most people just think it's all BS To paraphrase the I Ching.... The Chi that can be seen is not the real chi

[FingersCrossed]

Crippling arthritis stopped me but Sensei helped me with that too, to the point where I can work out and stay fit which is nothing short of miraculous according to my doctors but that's another story the polishing of spirit is a lifelong task (especially for me) though. I still visit Sensei every week.

I'm glad to hear you are staying mobile and in touch with Sensei. and I agree that the polishing of the spirit is a lifelong task. Hope you have a great day McGoo!

[mcgoo]

Crippling arthritis stopped me but Sensei helped me with that too, to the point where I can work out and stay fit which is nothing short of miraculous according to my doctors but that's another story the polishing of spirit is a lifelong task (especially for me) though. I still visit Sensei every week.

I'm glad to hear you are staying mobile and in touch with Sensei. and I agree that the polishing of the spirit is a lifelong task. Hope you have a great day McGoo!

Same to you mate .Cheers