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superfrank wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:11 pm
New data from the Copernicus Sentinel-5P satellite reveal the decline of air pollution, specifically nitrogen dioxide emissions, over Italy. This reduction is particularly visible in northern Italy which coincides with its nationwide lockdown to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
https://youtu.be/ARpxtAKsORw
If looking for some kind of silver lining, that is an aspect I hadn't thought about before is the number of people who are now not dying due to the better air quality.

We are told about the huge numbers of people who dye each day due to all the air pollution so hopefully these shutdowns around the world are saving a few lives at least.
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Coronavirus: ‘It’s just a build-up of dead people,’ says British nurse in Italy
https://youtu.be/_suhYeWEcJg
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:19 am
Do you eat all the parts of a cow that contain the necessary nutes? Or do you just eat the delicious meaty bits which only have a very limited array of chemical constituents? If you want the full range you really ought to be having a couple of eyes and a few teeth sprinkled on your breakfast pancreas.
That's known as nose-to-tail eating. I mainly eat muscle meat, liver and create homemade bone broth. I am slowly exploring other areas of the animal, and have a meat grinder which makes it a lot easier. There are only two eyes in a cow, so if I average 1.5 cows per year, then missing out on three eyeballs isn't going to do much. :lol:
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:19 am
But if you have the same biology as a cow, then why don't you cut out the middle man and just eat grass? My mamalian analog of choice is the bat, but they're really hard to catch so I just leave a light on overnight and eat a big handful of dead moths for breakfast. I've never felt better but I just have a slight headache from banging my head on my desk lamp all day.
I never said we have the same biology as a cow. I just said we're both mammals. See if you can name a nutrient that cows utilise that we don't, or vice versa.

Grass uses sunlight as an energy source. Cows use grass as an energy source. Then we use cows as an energy source. Humans have complicated the process over the millennia simply due to food shortages and overpopulation. We're the only species that tells itself that we need to eat a variety of foods. But the only reason we need to do that is because no other food contains all the nutrients we need.
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marketraisen wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:03 am
If anyone is worried about infections, deaths, survival rates etc then look at all the cruise liners around the world that were quarantined after outbreaks for some comfort.

Remember the Diamond Princess being in the news? 3,700 on board, the vast majority of passengers were very old, they were locked on an 'infected' ship for a fortnight, a far more dangerous situation than us out in the wild, 700 cases reported from that number and how many people died? 7, all 70+.
This is actually a really interesting viewpoint. I'm trying to find more information about the figures for this. Supposedly it is 8 deaths now.
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Ethanol wrote:
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This is actually a really interesting viewpoint. I'm trying to find more information about the figures for this. Supposedly it is 8 deaths now.
The below article which I received from an A & E Consultant I know, is worth reading for all. It also touches upon your recent posts about cruise ships and the cases onboard. Interestingly he said it is just business as usual at the moment, though that is likely to change it is if anything quieter than normal.

It is written by:
John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center.
A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-f ... able-data/
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If you set up an experiment for a virus, a floating petri dish like a cruise ship is almost perfect.

Through my research into behavioural science. People tend to over-react, so I'd wager the numbers are wrong so far and the measures excessive. But human nature will mean the everybody will play the 'what if it isn't?' card. So the measures will continue as the consequences socially will be too high to pay.

The data so far is extremely noisy and for seasonal illness, there simply won't be enough data for some time to come.
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I find the data on this page to be extremely useful:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Deaths are really gaining momentum since it's left Asia. Korea have handled the situation better than any other country: test early, social-distancing, wear masks, and enforced isolation using fines for lack of adhesion.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... ts-success

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/co ... 11796.html
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Ethanol wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:09 pm
We're the only species that tells itself that we need to eat a variety of foods.
Utter nonsense, nature provides a variety of foods via the seasons and all higher animals such as primates will deliberately vary what they eat if variety is available. They also consume different food types as they go through gestation. Even the blackbirds in my garden will take sultanas from my hand one week and then only want mealworms another week. Why is that?

btw 'nose-to-tailing' isn't anything new or special except in the eyes of metropolitan types. I live in a farming area and when I was a kid my nan would kill a pig in the kitchen and every single part got turned into something from the brains to the tail (stopped doing that when home slaughtering was banned and they wouldn't give you some of the stuff back like the blood). When we ate it we also had a nice big pile of veg because homo sapians are omnivores.
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i think the death rate in italy for example is higher because of hospitals on capacity and high average age/poor health but also in asia they tested much more comprehensive, there will be quite a high number of people where they dont feel bad enough to get a test, some dont even have any symptoms.
you look at germany they have 18000 positive and just 48 deaths so far, obviously most infected dont have either died or recovered yet, however look at UK 3300 positive and already 144 died. Obviously there are at least 50000 infected at this time in the UK poeple dont get tested very much here.
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Sure many of you have seen the last few days Ant Middleton from Channel 4's SAS Who Dares Wins has been doing his best to ruin his own career on Instagram but just noticed he was trending on Twitter so thought I would look and this has to be one of the best tweets to date in all this Corona Virus stuff:

Brilliant!

https://twitter.com/JHeadspeath/status/ ... 24576?s=09

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Wow "Government to pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month".
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:24 pm
Wow "Government to pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month".
I can feel an equality case looming - if people are paid at different rates to do the same thing ie stay at home.
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:24 pm
Wow "Government to pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month".
This is going to cost future generations a small fortune.
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I'd guess plenty of companies will suddenly have a lot more employees by the end of the week :o
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Well, let's look on the bright side. Weather is getting much better.
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