Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

Italy, 900 dead in 24 hours and 6,000 new cases. Jesus.....................

I do wonder whether the stereotypical Italian affection and intimacy is not helping here. Or has the Italian establishment basically given up, let it rip.
For sure the frontline must be absolutely knackered by now.

Italy has a very high percentage of smokers, male and over the age of 65. Apparently a smoker's odds of surviving are not very good due to their lung capacity being significantly reduced. Same issue with Spain.

The rate of infection is pretty concerning considering their efforts to slow it. Maybe also an interesting point about smokers (being one myself) is they're a higher risk of catching it because of the constant hand to mouth action, also for people who roll their own cigarettes you have the issue with licking the paper straight past the finger, the filter they're sucking through will have been in their hand or between their fingers moments before entering the mouth. Add these to the lack of lung capacity & it's clear that smokers are going to be standing out. Amazingly I have managed to stop smoking on & off for periods of sometimes up to a year, this habit imo is probably the most nasty disgusting thing anyone could ever do & yet I still cant put it down on a long term basis. I'd love nothing more than smoking to be obliterated off the face of the earth.

[Emmson]

Densely populated city state Hong Kong has had only 4 or 5 deaths

[Jukebox]

Densely populated city state Hong Kong has had only 4 or 5 deaths

and - one would imagine, a reasonably high number of visitors from mainland China

[Emmson]

I saw this earlier today

[Archery1969]

I do wonder whether the stereotypical Italian affection and intimacy is not helping here. Or has the Italian establishment basically given up, let it rip.
For sure the frontline must be absolutely knackered by now.

Italy has a very high percentage of smokers, male and over the age of 65. Apparently a smoker's odds of surviving are not very good due to their lung capacity being significantly reduced. Same issue with Spain.

The rate of infection is pretty concerning considering their efforts to slow it. Maybe also an interesting point about smokers (being one myself) is they're a higher risk of catching it because of the constant hand to mouth action, also for people who roll their own cigarettes you have the issue with licking the paper straight past the finger, the filter they're sucking through will have been in their hand or between their fingers moments before entering the mouth. Add these to the lack of lung capacity & it's clear that smokers are going to be standing out. Amazingly I have managed to stop smoking on & off for periods of sometimes up to a year, this habit imo is probably the most nasty disgusting thing anyone could ever do & yet I still cant put it down on a long term basis. I'd love nothing more than smoking to be obliterated off the face of the earth.

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[Archery1969]

115 I think which is very concerning

Lets hope and prey the team at oxford university can give us some good news regarding a potential vaccine in the coming days, weeks or months. I am sure they are doing their very best around the clock.

So far as I can see there's zero chance of that. It would be unprecedented to produce commercial levels of vaccine ahead of next summer. Our best hope is to see common sense prevail and a moderation in confirmed cases between 2 days and 27 days from the govt's lockdown (21st March). If they manage that then we enter ICL's cycle of 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation (until the ICU trigger is hit). The ICL report suggests this 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation will continue for 2 years. I'm sure we'll get better at it, but its still going to be challenging.

Its been announced today that they now have an untested vaccine. Trials will start in the next few days. If its successful then red tape will be bypassed and production will begin in 3 weeks time. How many they can make per day i have no idea about. I guess you just give it to the large pharmaceutical companies and tell them to switch production.

[jamesg46]

Lets hope and prey the team at oxford university can give us some good news regarding a potential vaccine in the coming days, weeks or months. I am sure they are doing their very best around the clock.

So far as I can see there's zero chance of that. It would be unprecedented to produce commercial levels of vaccine ahead of next summer. Our best hope is to see common sense prevail and a moderation in confirmed cases between 2 days and 27 days from the govt's lockdown (21st March). If they manage that then we enter ICL's cycle of 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation (until the ICU trigger is hit). The ICL report suggests this 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation will continue for 2 years. I'm sure we'll get better at it, but its still going to be challenging.

Its been announced today that they now have an untested vaccine. Trials will start in the next few days. If its successful then red tape will be bypassed and production will begin in 3 weeks time. How many they can make per day i have no idea about.

I just hope common sense prevails and main priority is given to as Shaun mentioned, less fortunate people & countries first. I'm sure once a vaccine starts being produced, then countries like US, China, UK, Germany, France etc can pump that out in no time at all but it needs to be focused. I pray (I'm not religious either) for places like Syria, Iran, Iraq & parts of Africa. Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

[Archery1969]

So far as I can see there's zero chance of that. It would be unprecedented to produce commercial levels of vaccine ahead of next summer. Our best hope is to see common sense prevail and a moderation in confirmed cases between 2 days and 27 days from the govt's lockdown (21st March). If they manage that then we enter ICL's cycle of 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation (until the ICU trigger is hit). The ICL report suggests this 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation will continue for 2 years. I'm sure we'll get better at it, but its still going to be challenging.

Its been announced today that they now have an untested vaccine. Trials will start in the next few days. If its successful then red tape will be bypassed and production will begin in 3 weeks time. How many they can make per day i have no idea about.

I just hope common sense prevails and main priority is given to as Shaun mentioned, less fortunate people & countries first. I'm sure once a vaccine starts being produced, then countries like US, China, UK, Germany, France etc can pump that out in no time at all but it needs to be focused. I pray (I'm not religious either) for places like Syria, Iran, Iraq & parts of Africa. Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

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http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-03-27-oxf ... ecruitment

[Trader Pat]

Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

Its a nice thought but won't happen

[jamesg46]

Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

Its a nice thought but won't happen

I know, but we can all but hope.

[Archery1969]

So far as I can see there's zero chance of that. It would be unprecedented to produce commercial levels of vaccine ahead of next summer. Our best hope is to see common sense prevail and a moderation in confirmed cases between 2 days and 27 days from the govt's lockdown (21st March). If they manage that then we enter ICL's cycle of 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation (until the ICU trigger is hit). The ICL report suggests this 2/3rd lockdown, 1/3rd relaxation will continue for 2 years. I'm sure we'll get better at it, but its still going to be challenging.

Its been announced today that they now have an untested vaccine. Trials will start in the next few days. If its successful then red tape will be bypassed and production will begin in 3 weeks time. How many they can make per day i have no idea about.

I just hope common sense prevails and main priority is given to as Shaun mentioned, less fortunate people & countries first. I'm sure once a vaccine starts being produced, then countries like US, China, UK, Germany, France etc can pump that out in no time at all but it needs to be focused. I pray (I'm not religious either) for places like Syria, Iran, Iraq & parts of Africa. Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

Any country that comes up with a successful vaccine would have to look after their own citizens first. If they didnt then there would be rioting and the government would fall for failing to protect it citizens.

[Trader Pat]

Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

Its a nice thought but won't happen

I know, but we can all but hope.

We can

[jamesg46]

Its been announced today that they now have an untested vaccine. Trials will start in the next few days. If its successful then red tape will be bypassed and production will begin in 3 weeks time. How many they can make per day i have no idea about.

I just hope common sense prevails and main priority is given to as Shaun mentioned, less fortunate people & countries first. I'm sure once a vaccine starts being produced, then countries like US, China, UK, Germany, France etc can pump that out in no time at all but it needs to be focused. I pray (I'm not religious either) for places like Syria, Iran, Iraq & parts of Africa. Probably so many places that dont have the luxury of first class medical care that I've missed 100s of places and millions of people - these places and people that never usually live in our minds should imo be at the very beginning of the que.

Any country that comes up with a successful vaccine would have to look after their own citizens first. If they didnt then there would be rioting and the government would fall for failing to protect it citizens.

Economically I've always been an admirer of how Trunp has put America first but during this Pandemic I've completely changed my mind about the guy, a Pandemic isn't National, its Global & the only way to beat it is through a collective effort. Goverments putting their "own" first imo put them at greater risk. Economically we should always be sovereign imo, "competition is a good thing" but when it comes to Global health then we need to differentiate the two.

[Emmson]

UK has more dead at this stage than any country except Spain & Italy

[jamesg46]

UK has more dead at this stage than any country except Spain & Italy

I've seen this graph where someone used facemaks as a variable, it looks pretty similar, I'd take these with a pinch of salt.