Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[greenmark]

Dont be alarmed by the figures. The vast majority of fit, healthy people on here will have a 0.4% chance of dying from COVID-19. I like those odds.

What about the people on here who aren't fit and healthy (as well as all our friends and relatives). You're telling them not to be alarmed because other groups just have a 0.4% chance?

Then your time will come just that little bit quicker. As the scientists say, the vast majority who die from the disease will have died this year anyway. If your struggling with that concept then maybe you should turn off the news for a while.

So why are govts around the world crapping themselves? Potentially invoking a global recession. Govt's are ruthless and obsessed by their own survival. This virus is on top of normal disease/mortality.

[Emmson]

Social Darwinists are being unmasked on here and elsewhere.

[Trader Pat]

China now supplying PPE to other countries:

https://www.thejournal.ie/plane-ppe-dub ... 1-Mar2020/

Russia have done the same, wonder what damage this will do to America's standing on the world stage. Trumps arrogance (and Americas in general) has been breathtaking over the past few weeks. They've had so much warning and still Trump is dragging his feet.

[greenmark]

Social Darwinists are being unmasked on here and elsewhere.

Perhaps the saddest thing about this is 6 billion live in poverty. The health systems and reporting will never reflect the truth. But i posted earlier the low % of > 65 yr olds might mean those poor communities aren't hit as hard as we think.
It does seem below 60 you've a really good chance of surviving, irrespective of healthcare, and becoming part of the immune herd.
But equally sadly, there's pretty much naff all we can do about it anyway until we identify immune medics who are willing to go abroad.

[Kai]

Perhaps the saddest thing about this is 6 billion live in poverty.

I'm not as confident as some of the others on here about the ability of the poorer regions to deal with the disease, the southern hemisphere could get the worst of it in the upcoming weeks and months and I'm not sure how much help they'll actually receive.

Far too early to play the blame game but for starters WHO as an org should be completely restructured or better yet disbanded. Set up a new org with new objectives, recruit all the best people from all corners and start preparing for the next pandemic. But this is not a hollywood movie so fat chance of that happening.

The numbers don't lie for the most part, Italy has more deaths than Korea has cases, let that fact sink in. The Asian culture overall in some countries seems vastly superior in certain instances compared to the western culture, we could learn a thing or two. We can't even afford any masks, we have to lie to the public for the sake of rationing. That alone sums it all up.

[Derek27]

Dont be alarmed by the figures. The vast majority of fit, healthy people on here will have a 0.4% chance of dying from COVID-19. I like those odds.

What about the people on here who aren't fit and healthy (as well as all our friends and relatives). You're telling them not to be alarmed because other groups just have a 0.4% chance?

Then your time will come just that little bit quicker. As the scientists say, the vast majority who die from the disease will have died this year anyway. If your struggling with that concept then maybe you should turn off the news for a while.

You're talking complete bollocks and don't seem to understand what you've read. It's not the number of people who die of C19 who would have died anyway. It's all the people who die including C19 victims that would have died anyway. If 10,000 people die instead of 9,000, you might think it doesn't matter because most of them would have died anyway but most people would be saddened by 1,000 extra deaths, especially if it's someone you know.

If you're not fit and healthy, your time won't necessarily come quicker because you might not catch the virus. It's quite thoughtless to advise an entire forum that they don't need to be alarmed because fit people are safe when we all have ill or elderly relatives that we are concerned about. It's not me that needs to switch off the news, it's you that needs to understand it!

[jamesg46]

The scariest part of all this is, if you get to the point where you need hospital treatment, you better say your goodbyes before leaving your front door, nobody is coming to say goodbye to you & the probability is, you ain't going home to say Hi...

[gutuami]

some contries have different kind of penalties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEPhxiE5XvE

[greenmark]

There’s no imminent cure for this so everyone (80%?) will probably get it. That's fine so long as the NHS can cope and we'll hopefully level out at about 20k deaths (0.04% of us). Complete lockdowns are really only possible for relatively short spells and when they're lifted you're back to square one. What's needed is a managed rate of infection and to be fair that's going quite well atm.

250 dead in 24hrs is only an increase of about 12% on a normal pre-corona day, and on a normal day the NHS runs at about 85% capacity, so it's still just within what's manageable. I'd read 250 dead as pretty good news compared to what it would be without a lockdown or a lockdown that had to be lifted so people didn't starve from lack of an income.

Agree 100% ith all that.
Something struck me very forceablt today. I and others have posted concerns about Africa/Brazil/India etc that have a lot of poverty and poor health resources and the terrible consequences for them of the virus.
But if you look at the % of those populations over 65, they're very low.
Similarly, people with underlying health conditions don't survive.
So by a bizarre twist they might do pretty well. It does seem to be sweeping through wealthy, longlived populations. Japan being a stark exception, particularly with the population density.

The big question for me is, despite your valid age point, we're yet to see what transpires if the virus sweeps through an area with a poor and dense population. Yeah, age isn't an issue, but will people in an area where social distanceing isn't really an option be able to fight off the virus if they 're suffering from malnutrition of varying degrees? Correct me, if I'm wrong but we don't have evidence on that yet, no?

It's first a potential disater for them, and second I'd be worried whether the virus easily jumping from host to host, who doesn't have an age/underlying condition that causes the virus to kill the person, but rather lingers within people who through malnutrition doesn't quite have the immune system to fight it off as easily as those in richer areas. And whether that would prove a breeding ground for it to mutate into something more sinister. Just fatalistic, layman's wonderings, but ones I haven't seen addressed, much less answered anywhere.

Well, the lingering virus thing does appear to be an issue of sensitivity of the tests, If you force me me i'll try to to find that reference.
But my current view is the medics are brilliant at crushing a crushable infection. But the testing isn't 100% at identifying absence of the virus. So there have been a tiny amount of cases that have been positive, been hospitalised, treated, recovered and tested negative and then tested positive later.
But not with any serious consequences.

[Archery1969]

I wonder where all this will end...

- Boris to tell Britions tougher measures will be needed.
- China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

[trad1ngbull]

China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

I can give you a stat that made me astonished this week: (maybe it's common sense and I'm the ignorant one here): 97% of all antibiotics in the United States come from China.

There's no way to keep it like that after this pandemic.

[Archery1969]

China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

I can give you a stat that made me astonished this week: (maybe it's common sense and I'm the ignorant one here): 97% of all antibiotics in the United States come from China.

There's no way to keep it like that after this pandemic.

+ 1

I think China is in for a massive wake up call over this.

One possible outcome could be a huge win for India if the western world wants cheap goods going forward and basically dumps China.

I am not in anyway blaming the Chinese people but their Government has been clearly telling pork pies over this since December 2019.

My question is what would China do if the rest of the world turns its back on them....

[Emmson]

China is a cruel tyranny & they have damaged themselves but now too big and powerful with large investments in many countries, they may also win the race to discover a vaccine.

[Derek27]

China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

I can give you a stat that made me astonished this week: (maybe it's common sense and I'm the ignorant one here): 97% of all antibiotics in the United States come from China.

There's no way to keep it like that after this pandemic.

I'm not doubting you but can you post a link or source to that information?

With so much information being branded about it would be useful.

[Emmson]

China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

I can give you a stat that made me astonished this week: (maybe it's common sense and I'm the ignorant one here): 97% of all antibiotics in the United States come from China.

There's no way to keep it like that after this pandemic.

I'm not doubting you but can you post a link or source to that information?

With so much information being branded about it would be useful.

US Department of Commerce

https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence- ... ucts-china