Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[firlandsfarm]

The Banks... when people are skint and have lost their jobs,.their house, their family & 14 collector Harleys they will naturally blame the banks & point fingers at rich bankers. It always ends where the money stops.

Ah yes, the Banks, that hardy perennial of dislike.

[jamesg46]

A sharp drop in accident-and-emergency admissions worries medics

https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/ ... ies-medics

Just the thought of going to the hospital right now is a cure for most things...

Theres a wonderful old lady I know, shes 88 years old & just last week had a stroke, my mother speaks with her on a daily basis & fetches any essentials she needs, but her words to my mother when she found out she had a stroke were "well at least it's not that coronavirus, I can deal with a stoke but I dont think I could survive the virus" amazing how people change their scale of seriousness. Thankfully shes on the mend.

[Archery1969]

A sharp drop in accident-and-emergency admissions worries medics

https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/ ... ies-medics

Not surprised, people dont want to goto hospital unless they have to for fear of catching covid-19.

My mum who is 87 has a damaged heart valve, had the scan before the lockdown but now cant get the results and nor can her GP. Hospital consultant is not available and cancelled her planned appointment in April. She now has trouble breathing, so basically we just waiting for her drop. I imagine this will be the picture across much of the UK. Without wanting to be blunt I guess we have to think of it like the animal kingdom where the old, weak and unlucky perish while the young, strong and lucky survive. Whatever the government says its obvious that those in care homes and hospices have basically been left to get on with it. When this is all over and the total death rate from covid-19 and other mishandled situations is known then the government is going to be in allot of trouble from all corners. Heads will no doubt roll and there could be allot of legal action for negligence on a grand scale.

[jamesg46]

A sharp drop in accident-and-emergency admissions worries medics

https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/ ... ies-medics

Not surprised, people dont want to goto hospital unless they have to for fear of catching covid-19.

My mum who is 87 has a damaged heart valve, had the scan before the lockdown but now cant get the results and nor can her GP. Hospital consultant is not available and cancelled her planned appointment in April. She now has trouble breathing, so basically we just waiting for her drop. I imagine this will be the picture across much of the UK. Without wanting to be blunt I guess we have to think of it like the animal kingdom where the old, weak and unlucky perish while the young, strong and lucky survive. Whatever the government says its obvious that those in care homes and hospices have basically been left to get on with it. When this is all over and the total death rate from covid-19 and other mishandled situations is known then the government is going to be in allot of trouble from all corners. Heads will no doubt roll and there could be allot of legal action for negligence on a grand scale.

To vaguely describe the mood of "Nevertrumpers" they're constantly using this line recently "I am the King but I take no responsibility" & you dont need to dig too deep to find out why.

I wish your mum all the best of health. We have lost 2 family members this past week both were in care, its certainly going to be a tough time. It's certainly brought the rest of closer, for the first time I can remember we had an invite to a family quiz night on zoom, something I never thought would be a thing.

[sekodilemo]

Fingers crossed. Had a fair whack knocked off my pension fund in the last few days. Not sure if it's related but did see a brief headline that the financial markets are nervous. Hoping to take a wedge out in 8 months so not the best timing if it is.

[Dallas]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least

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[jamesg46]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least


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A pretty dangerous point to be at, this is where people start thinking it's ok, it's over, let's go out... that previous dip could become the new support level, created by those who think they've survived armageddon & it's now ok for them to go bare back with every man or woman in town.

[Jukebox]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least


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The plan was to "elongate" the curve to keep it under what the health service can cope with at any one time. If we continue to have 80% of the population in hiding, let the capacity lay empty and don't step out to take our turn we might have painted ourselves into a corner.

[Dallas]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least


Annotation 2020-04-15 144614.jpg

A pretty dangerous point to be at, this is where people start thinking it's ok, it's over, let's go out... that previous dip could become the new support level, created by those who think they've survived armageddon & it's now ok for them to go bare back with every man or woman in town.

This is where I think the govt need to be careful about deatailing any exit stratergies, it would be good to hear some sort of clarification on this in the coming days but when your dealing with a full country in such a delicate situation i think they need to keep any advice simple and clear and not muddy the message.

Perhaps todays could even be a single line like
Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save lives

[jamesg46]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least


Annotation 2020-04-15 144614.jpg

A pretty dangerous point to be at, this is where people start thinking it's ok, it's over, let's go out... that previous dip could become the new support level, created by those who think they've survived armageddon & it's now ok for them to go bare back with every man or woman in town.

This is where I think the govt need to be careful about deatailing any exit stratergies, it would be good to hear some sort of clarification on this in the coming days but when your dealing with a full country in such a delicate situation i think they need to keep any advice simple and clear and not muddy the message.

Perhaps todays could even be a single line like
Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save lives

"Let's get covid done"

[Dallas]

Some positive signs from the rolling 3/5 day average death totals, and now we are entering lockdown effects I hope thats the peak past for this wave a least


Annotation 2020-04-15 144614.jpg

The plan was to "elongate" the curve to keep it under what the health service can cope with at any one time. If we continue to have 80% of the population in hiding, let the capacity lay empty and don't step out to take our turn we might have painted ourselves into a corner.

In the situation of not having a vaccine for 12-18mths I think there short term end goal is to now get a lid on it and down to a controlable level that they can test, trace and isolate even if that requires the use of tech via an app or smart wrist band etc.

It almosts feels like that was there intention from the start but it spread out of control, wheather that be China's under reporting or the govt not taking the required steps early enough, had mass testing and ways of tracking/tracing cases been ready from mid Feb it might have played out a bit differently but once it exploded that was no longer possible without lockdowns.

They might now have a chance to learn from that, get it under control and serioustly ramp up whats required and have another go at 'containment'

[Trader Pat]

In the situation of not having a vaccine for 12-18mths I think there short term end goal is to now get a lid on it and down to a controlable level that they can test, trace and isolate even if that requires the use of tech via an app or smart wrist band etc.

I still think 12-18 months is way too optimistic. The fastest a vaccine has ever been approved for a virus was for mumps and that took 4 years.

Clinical trials have 3 phases and the first stages of the current trials aren't due to be finished until the end of the year, the start of next year, or even later than that depending on who you listen to.

I suppose with this outbreak being a global pandemic and the whole world working on it we may get a virus sooner but I wouldn't hold my breath. I know its a much more complex virus but when AIDS was identified in the 80's scientists said they were confident they'd have a vaccine within 2 years, they're still looking.

[firlandsfarm]

Watch the numbers climb again when they let us out of our cages. Unless they have killed off the virus it will be lurking around waiting to stike again ... vaccination or herd immunity are the only weapons we have, hiding won't work in the long run unless we stay hidden and people will soon get pissed with that, some have already. Hiding doesn't build immunity, it just tries to prevent the virus finding you, you are still vulnerable until you get immunity from a vaccine or sufficient victims survive as immune (or die) that there are not enough vulnerable people left for the virus to exist but ... they claimed they had rid the world of smallpox and then it said "Hi there, I'm still here"! All they are trying to do is control the rate at which we get infected so that they can provide the best care when it's your turn.

[Emmson]

Oxford University are making optimistic claims about a vaccine ready by September.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-14/cor ... om-clarke/

[Derek27]

Great news: Health Secretary announces care workers will get a badge!!

Forget PPE and decent wages. A badge of honour is what they really need.