Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

https://youtu.be/uli_xqVwo9Y

My random youtube post... I haven't got past the 1st minute before posting, the 1st minute is all you need to watch.

Through curiosity I'll fall asleep listening to the rest of it but other than the economic news, I'm done hanging out with this virus in my head.

Hopefully I'll see you all in another thread.

[Kai]

Hopefully I'll see you all in another thread.

I've unsubscribed from the topic long ago, although I glance at it from time to time. You don't have to consume it just because it's there every day, it's very much optional.

Been fully immersed into the global situation for a couple of weeks at first, like everyone else I assume, but after I sufficiently informed myself about the virus etc and when the markets stopped I just went on a "holiday" and have honestly been enjoying it, despite people around me getting sick and testing positive, with a decent chance that I went through the virus already since I went through the milder symptoms twice, but thankfully didn't lose anyone thus far.

Have a ton of fun stuff to catch up on, things I didn't really have time to do before, so lowkey almost wishing the markets don't come back too soon, from a strictly personal and selfish perspective, but do hope things get generally better as soon as possible.

I don't miss the trading yet, I'd work on other trading projects to keep progressing if I could but I'm not a data guy and I would need live markets anyway so can't really do anything that I want to do, so might as well make the most out of a bad situation. It's a rare and a unique opportunity to maybe take a longer break from trading, maybe even once in a lifetime opportunity.

It only takes a moment to check the numbers, locally and globally, so I do it every few days but don't read up on much else about it. I'm thinking if the news is important enough it will reach me anyhow. This forum is a good example of that btw, the major news overall gets posted anyway so it's hard to miss even if you somehow do, thanks to anyone who posts useful stuff.

[firlandsfarm]

I'm saying it's stupid having any deadline with no purpose to it. Deadlines are usually something you give to other people for contractual reasons with potential punishment for failing to adhere to it. Only a complete idiot imposes deadlines and punishments on themselves when you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain by keeping your options open. It's a bit like a gambler self-excluding himself. Fine if you're a compulsive gambler, not so good if you're running the flipping country!

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

BTW where is the self punishment?

Would I be right in thinking you were not a Brexiteer?

[wearthefoxhat]

I dont think soldiers below the rank of corporal would agree as most of them are on the minimum wage as technically there on call 24/7 etc.

Agreed. Maybe those earning above £30k and not frontline then.

+ 1

One thing is for sure, everyone is going to be paying allot more tax in the future as some estimate it will take 20 years of austerity to get back to where we were in January 2020.

Also...the pension retirement age will be pushed back further from 67 to....(70+)?

[Archery1969]

Agreed. Maybe those earning above £30k and not frontline then.

+ 1

One thing is for sure, everyone is going to be paying allot more tax in the future as some estimate it will take 20 years of austerity to get back to where we were in January 2020.

Also...the pension retirement age will be pushed back further from 67 to....(70+)?

Yep, more than likely.

[superfrank]

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

I agree. We currently have full alignment so that should make it easier. The EU are seeking to delay and would see any extension as a victory.

The same fear-based Remoaner arguments never end... it can't be done, it's too complicated, it'll take years, it'll be a disaster blah, blah, blah.

[Archery1969]

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

I agree. We currently have full alignment so that should make it easier. The EU are seeking to delay and would see any extension as a victory.

The same fear-based Remoaner arguments never end... it can't be done, it's too complicated, it'll take years, it'll be a disaster blah, blah, blah.

+ 1

Also, given how the EU initially responded to Italy's covid-19 disaster and request for help then i would want to be out of that club asap. I doubt the italian people will forget either.

[superfrank]

Fabulous lockdown weather we're having.

I've got a golf net up in the back garden - might as well do something useful and perfect my swing.

I still don't understand why golf courses can't be open. Book online, no need to go in the clubhouse. No touching of flags and no bunker raking was already in operation. Hopefully they'll reopen soon.

[Archery1969]

Fabulous lockdown weather we're having.

I've got a golf net up in the back garden - might as well do something useful and perfect my swing.

I still don't understand why golf courses can't be open. Book online, no need to go in the clubhouse. No touching of flags and no bunker raking was already in operation. Hopefully they'll reopen soon.

How would the club know if your a member or not as you could get anyone just turning up on the course ?

[spreadbetting]

Agreed. Maybe those earning above £30k and not frontline then.

+ 1

One thing is for sure, everyone is going to be paying allot more tax in the future as some estimate it will take 20 years of austerity to get back to where we were in January 2020.

Also...the pension retirement age will be pushed back further from 67 to....(70+)?

Might not be many people hitting retirement age

[Derek27]

I'm saying it's stupid having any deadline with no purpose to it. Deadlines are usually something you give to other people for contractual reasons with potential punishment for failing to adhere to it. Only a complete idiot imposes deadlines and punishments on themselves when you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain by keeping your options open. It's a bit like a gambler self-excluding himself. Fine if you're a compulsive gambler, not so good if you're running the flipping country!

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

BTW where is the self punishment?

Would I be right in thinking you were not a Brexiteer?

Why put it in law? Why not just decide to leave on 31st December? It's his decision.

What if he negotiates the best deal he could possibly hope for but it takes until 31st January? Does he throw it away, which would be the self-punishment. Actually it's not self-punishment but the country being punished.

Yes, I was a remainer. It's one thing leaving Europe, it's another leaving though the fire exit when there's no fire.

[Archery1969]

I'm saying it's stupid having any deadline with no purpose to it. Deadlines are usually something you give to other people for contractual reasons with potential punishment for failing to adhere to it. Only a complete idiot imposes deadlines and punishments on themselves when you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain by keeping your options open. It's a bit like a gambler self-excluding himself. Fine if you're a compulsive gambler, not so good if you're running the flipping country!

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

BTW where is the self punishment?

Would I be right in thinking you were not a Brexiteer?

Why put it in law? Why not just decide to leave on 31st December? It's his decision.

What if he negotiates the best deal he could possibly hope for but it takes until 31st January? Does he throw it away, which would be the self-punishment. Actually it's not self-punishment but the country being punished.

Yes, I was a remainer. It's one thing leaving Europe, it's another leaving though the fire exit when there's no fire.

I guess giving a deadline tends to focus peoples minds like it should have done when your teacher said the homework had to be in before Friday and saying if you didnt you would be put before the headmaster to explain why you failed.

Making it law in the UK shows to the EU that we are not mucking about and the deadline is fixed unless Parliament whishes to change the date. Given BoJo has a majority of 80 then thats unlikely to happen unless Covid-19 somehow removes that majority.

Otherwise your not taken seriously and the dates just drift like a false favourite on BF.

[firlandsfarm]

The deadline has very real purpose, it is to make sure the negotiations reach a conclusion and don't spin on for years like others have. They talk of the Canadian deal taking 7 years ... yes, because there was not a deadline! People will not compromise in negotiation until they have to and a deadline makes it that they have to. I disagree that deadlines are what you only give to others, many times you give yourself a deadline to achieve something ... if you don't work to a self inflicted deadline things just drag on. Don't you ever say "I'm going to get XYZ done this weekend"? That's a deadline!

BTW where is the self punishment?

Would I be right in thinking you were not a Brexiteer?

Why put it in law? Why not just decide to leave on 31st December? It's his decision.

What if he negotiates the best deal he could possibly hope for but it takes until 31st January? Does he throw it away, which would be the self-punishment. Actually it's not self-punishment but the country being punished.

Yes, I was a remainer. It's one thing leaving Europe, it's another leaving though the fire exit when there's no fire.

I guess giving a deadline tends to focus peoples minds like it should have done when your teacher said the homework had to be in before Friday and saying if you didnt you would be put before the headmaster to explain why you failed.

Making it law in the UK shows to the EU that we are not mucking about and the deadline is fixed unless Parliament whishes to change the date. Given BoJo has a majority of 80 then thats unlikely to happen unless Covid-19 somehow removes that majority.

Otherwise your not taken seriously and the dates just drift like a false favourite on BF.

Total agreement Archery, well put and Derek ... because they know it's 31/12 it won't be 31/01! The EU want to keep dragging this out because the longer everything takes there is always the possibility, no matter how remote, that something may happen to reverse our decision. They can't lose by dragging it out. And as Archery said, that it's in law makes it a lot more difficult for them to say "let's do that after Christmas and New Year shall we".

[Archery1969]

Why put it in law? Why not just decide to leave on 31st December? It's his decision.

What if he negotiates the best deal he could possibly hope for but it takes until 31st January? Does he throw it away, which would be the self-punishment. Actually it's not self-punishment but the country being punished.

Yes, I was a remainer. It's one thing leaving Europe, it's another leaving though the fire exit when there's no fire.

I guess giving a deadline tends to focus peoples minds like it should have done when your teacher said the homework had to be in before Friday and saying if you didnt you would be put before the headmaster to explain why you failed.

Making it law in the UK shows to the EU that we are not mucking about and the deadline is fixed unless Parliament whishes to change the date. Given BoJo has a majority of 80 then thats unlikely to happen unless Covid-19 somehow removes that majority.

Otherwise your not taken seriously and the dates just drift like a false favourite on BF.

Total agreement Archery, well put and Derek ... because they know it's 31/12 it won't be 31/01! The EU want to keep dragging this out because the longer everything takes there is always the possibility, no matter how remote, that something may happen to reverse our decision. They can't lose by dragging it out. And as Archery said, that it's in law makes it a lot more difficult for them to say "let's do that after Christmas and New Year shall we".

Yep, people cant have it both ways, while a certain section of society will never agree to the decision, at least BoJo has put it into law so if he tries to move the date he will be held to account by the other section of society and those in Parliament that voted to leave etc.

And as for people saying, we never voted for this, well, under our system, there was a vote on the issue and there was a general election to change it if they wished. People knew in both instances what they were voting for, especially during the general election. It wasnt just a case of preventing Corybn getting in as people could have just not voted or spoiled the ballout papeter etc. When you have areas voting for BoJo/Torries who have voted Labour since the year dot and would rather eat dog shit than doing so then that kind of speaks volumes. And as for changing the voting system then dont forget that Labour and Torries have always voted against a different type of voting system which allows the smaller parties to have a say in Parliament on an equal footing. Its like your football team losing on penalties, you dont like it but there is nothing you can do to change the result of that game. Its in the past and you just have to move on and do the best you can.

[Derek27]

Why put it in law? Why not just decide to leave on 31st December? It's his decision.

What if he negotiates the best deal he could possibly hope for but it takes until 31st January? Does he throw it away, which would be the self-punishment. Actually it's not self-punishment but the country being punished.

Yes, I was a remainer. It's one thing leaving Europe, it's another leaving though the fire exit when there's no fire.

I guess giving a deadline tends to focus peoples minds like it should have done when your teacher said the homework had to be in before Friday and saying if you didnt you would be put before the headmaster to explain why you failed.

Making it law in the UK shows to the EU that we are not mucking about and the deadline is fixed unless Parliament whishes to change the date. Given BoJo has a majority of 80 then thats unlikely to happen unless Covid-19 somehow removes that majority.

Otherwise your not taken seriously and the dates just drift like a false favourite on BF.

Total agreement Archery, well put and Derek ... because they know it's 31/12 it won't be 31/01! The EU want to keep dragging this out because the longer everything takes there is always the possibility, no matter how remote, that something may happen to reverse our decision. They can't lose by dragging it out. And as Archery said, that it's in law makes it a lot more difficult for them to say "let's do that after Christmas and New Year shall we".

So it's not about getting the best deal for Britain but just getting out before anyone can stop you. Any possible delay should be judged on its merits rather than how long you've already waited or the impatient of BJ and the Brexiteers.