Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[to75ne]

you dont see anything wrong Frank with the spad who bent the rules/guidance whatever you call it, probably to its breaking point, justifies his actions with a load of cock and ball, and a journalist who reports and comments on it get reprimanded?

[Derek27]

If you used the smart, logical side of your brain for politics, as you do for trading, you’d be more of a libertarian than a socialist.
People thrive when they are free, not when they have authoritarians deciding what’s best for them and how they should live their lives.
Cummings did what he thought was best for his family and decided not to run it by the state first. Good for him.

Trading involves making money for yourself. Politics concerns what's best for everyone, not just yourself, unless you're Dominic Cummings.

You still don't get it about DC. If he's going to do what's best for his family he shouldn't be telling the rest of the nation to follow government advice. I'm sure most 12-year-olds can see what's wrong with his behaviour even if you can't.

[superfrank]

you dont see anything wrong Frank with the spad who bent the rules/guidance whatever you call it, probably to its breaking point, justifies his actions with a load of cock and ball, and a journalist who reports and comments on it get reprimanded?

No, not at all. I maintain he acted in good faith and didn't hurt a soul. With the benefit of hindsight he might have acted slightly differently, as he stated himself. Those who seek to destroy him, like Maitlis, do so for political ends. It has nothing to do with the lockdown.
The BBC is bound by a charter to report the news without political bias. Maitlis' diatribe wasn't reporting, it was brazen propaganda.

[Derek27]

If the bloke you voted for, Corbyn, was now PM and his chief advisor had done exactly the same as Cummings you'd have a completely different opinion of the man. I guarantee it.

You've probably heard of a case where somebody was caught stealing cash from his boss and justifies it by saying: "Hey, I'm not a bad guy, anyone would do it, you would have done the same if you were left alone with all that cash in the room". A House of Lords peer tried the "everyone was doing it" defence in the parliamentary expenses scandal and the 'lotto lout' believed any 19-year-old in his position would have blown however many millions he got.

That's three examples of people living in a bubble and not understanding that people outside their bubble don't necessarily think and react as they do.

[Derek27]

you dont see anything wrong Frank with the spad who bent the rules/guidance whatever you call it, probably to its breaking point, justifies his actions with a load of cock and ball, and a journalist who reports and comments on it get reprimanded?

No, not at all. I maintain he acted in good faith and didn't hurt a soul. With the benefit of hindsight he might have acted slightly differently, as he stated himself. Those who seek to destroy him, like Maitlis, do so for political ends. It has nothing to do with the lockdown.
The BBC is bound by a charter to report the news without political bias. Maitlis' diatribe wasn't reporting, it was brazen propaganda.

You're beyond help frank!

You admitted earlier in this thread that you suspect he did lie. Lying, by definition, is not good faith. It also hurts the person you're lying to - that's about 60 million people.

I would describe Maitlis as unprofessional rather than bias, even if she did breach BBC charter. What she said was factually correct and obviously so, but she should have expressed it differently. Perfectly understandable though.

[superfrank]

No. He ACTED in good faith. He MAY have been forced into an tiny, inconsequential lie after forensic examination of his every move by a media seeking to destroy him. I forgiven him that. If he'd said he went to see the castle because it was his wife's birthday you'd have all been up in arms with self-righteous indignation. It's pathetic.

[to75ne]

Surely on that on basis if the journalist gets a slap on the wrist for breaking her remit, the spad should be given a slap for being dumb enough not know how to effectively lie his way round of a set of rules/guidance he helped devise?

[Euler]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

[TraderFred]

I feel so blessed that I don’t feel obliged to pick a side in this never ending argument.

This country needs some sport back !

[Archery1969]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

+ 1

I think the UK has been in decline at home and abroad for a number of decades. I have never believed that we are the 4th, 5th of 6th richest country in the world and if you look around allot of towns and villages then you would see why. We no longer have an Army under the well known definition as its well below the 100,000 mark. From what i can tell we are just an over populated small island that doesnt manufacture anything of real value anymore that lost are way some time ago.

[sa7med]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

To be fair US media is much worse and the UK does have virgin galactic

But agreed, UK has much soul searching to do. Hard to see what Europe has going for it other than having a relatively well off consumer market. Looking at GDP/capita of US vs Europe you can see a big divergence over the last decade.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explo ... &ind=false

[jimibt]

in other news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... g-lockdown

[to75ne]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

Its not really about a family drive is it. It's about integrity, currently governments perceived integrity is probably more important to everyone in the this country in the short term than a space flight launched from a foreign country.

If this government loses integrity over the way this crisis is perceived to been managed, and a second wave arrives this winter, and the government requires another lock down or other limits to people's freedoms, then we could all end up in a load grief if their advice/guidance is ignored because of government failure to discipline itself, and to be seen to have disciplined itself.

if people perceive a two tier system in place, one for the elites in government and one for the rest, and start behaving on their " instinct " because my instinct is as good as theirs, and my concern for my child is as good and is as valid as theirs, it will not bode well for this country.

[Archery1969]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

Its not really about a family drive is it. It's about integrity, currently governments perceived integrity is probably more important to everyone in the this country in the short term than a space flight launched from a foreign country.

If this government loses integrity over the way this crisis is perceived to been managed, and a second wave arrives this winter, and the government requires another lock down or other limits to people's freedoms, then we could all end up in a load grief if their advice/guidance is ignored because of government failure to discipline itself, and to be seen to have disciplined itself.

if people perceive a two tier system in place, one for the elites in government and one for the rest, and start behaving on their " instinct " because my instinct is as good as theirs, and my concern for my child is as good and is as valid as theirs, it will not bode well for this country.

There has always been a two tier system in the UK. Take education, if you went to Oxford, Cambridge or Eaton then your life chances are greatly increased, not always because your more clever than others but because it opens doors which are normally closed to the masses.

The elite have access to things that most dont. Overall they tend to pay less tax too as they are able to employ the servies of accountancy firms to reduce their tax liabilities to much smaller sums. There is one person at PWC in London who's sole function is to reduce the tax liability around the world for the Sultan of Brunei. Would myself or others have access to that facility, i dont think so.

Most countries and governments are run by elites to some extent. Take every PM the UK has ever had and i think you will find that most of them were well educated, financially secure and bent the rules when it suited them.

[sniffer66]

While we are all arguing about one persons drive to his family during a pandemic. The US is about to start a new era in spaceflight with Commerical services to orbit and beyond.

I propose the UK is in a long term trend of relative decline in world status.

Its not really about a family drive is it. It's about integrity, currently governments perceived integrity is probably more important to everyone in the this country in the short term than a space flight launched from a foreign country.

If this government loses integrity over the way this crisis is perceived to been managed, and a second wave arrives this winter, and the government requires another lock down or other limits to people's freedoms, then we could all end up in a load grief if their advice/guidance is ignored because of government failure to discipline itself, and to be seen to have disciplined itself.

if people perceive a two tier system in place, one for the elites in government and one for the rest, and start behaving on their " instinct " because my instinct is as good as theirs, and my concern for my child is as good and is as valid as theirs, it will not bode well for this country.

Spot on.