Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Kai]

Was only a matter of time before a black forumite got triggered

That is a rather large assumption, spreadbetting posted exactly how I feel and I am white.

Too soon for jokes then?

It's just proof that what's going on over there really is spilling over everywhere and that it matters.

If Archery posts a few details about Floyd that the media certainly isn't, should he be brandished a racist?
If you guys always assumed that SB was white, does that make you racist?
If you chuckle at a bad joke, are you most definitely racist?

The cause of death was clear enough, it was cardiopulmonary arrest due to police restraint so 2nd degree murder charge is spot on, and the other 3 officers need to be held accountable as well. Floyd's past that Archery posted may be interesting due to his martyrdom status but ultimately doesn't matter here like he probably knows already, or the fact that Floyd was positive for Covid-19 and had a heart disease, or that he was high on drugs at the time, or that he most likely knew the officer Chauvin that pinned him down since they both worked at the same local nightclub.

The circumstances behind his murder were the tipping point for a lot of people and you can understand that it's something that has been building up for a while. You can even perhaps understand why his arrest went all wrong and escalated in the first place, if the officers had to apprehend a massive guy with a long rap sheet they most likely won't find any incentive to be gentle about it, and can instead resort to police brutality and even go on a power trip, which is obviously complete abuse of the power that they wield and is the very thing that this movement is trying to stamp out.

I condemn all the looting and pillaging like everyone else and may not think that Floyd is perfectly suited for a martyr, but I also understand that it's not about him personally, it's about what he symbolizes, that's why nobody cares about all of the other details and I think the media knows this too. I think it may actually work and it may lead to police reform etc, but the question for me is at what cost? You may get better policing but you get more racists in the process, more loss of life from the rioting and massive collateral damage and so on.

[Derek27]

While i understand that the Police should not be judge, jury and executioner are all these protesters aware of Mr Floyd's somewhat chequered past ?

- 1998 Prison for armed robbery
- 2002 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2004 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2005 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2007 Prison for armed robbery of a pregnant woman

When arrested and pinned to the ground he was high on meths and about to drive his car.

Obviously an interesting individual....

Be nice if you could link the source, but it's completely irrelevant anyway. I can assure you he was not about to drive his car because he was pinned to the ground being strangled to death!!

[superfrank]

Would be if it were actually a fact. This source has it wrong according to the source that they cite.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018
Offender race/ethnicity
Victim race/
ethnicity
Number of
violent incidents Total Whitea Blacka Hispanic Asiana Othera,b Multiple offenders
of various races
Whitea 3,581,360 100% 62.1%* 15.3% † 10.2% † 2.2% † 8.1% † 2.1% †
Blacka 563,940 100% 10.6 † 70.3* 7.9 † <0.1! 9.3 † 1.9 ! †
Hispanic 734,410 100% 28.2 † 15.3 † 45.4* 0.6! † 7.4 † 3.0 †
Asiana 182,230 100% 24.1 27.5 7.0 ! † 24.1* 14.4! 2.9 ! †

3,581,360 white victims, 15.3% where the offender is black = 547,948 black-on-white violent crimes

563,940 black victims, 10.6% where the offender is white = 59,778 white-on-black violent crimes

It doesn't exactly match the figures quoted in the article but very similar. I suspect they were revised.

[Emmson]

Too soon for jokes then?

You used a neutral smiley not a wink smiley suggesting to me you were being serious.

I don't make assumptions about any posters ethnicity on here, I know what I don't know.

[Archery1969]

While i understand that the Police should not be judge, jury and executioner are all these protesters aware of Mr Floyd's somewhat chequered past ?

- 1998 Prison for armed robbery
- 2002 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2004 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2005 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2007 Prison for armed robbery of a pregnant woman

When arrested and pinned to the ground he was high on meths and about to drive his car.

Obviously an interesting individual....

Be nice if you could link the source, but it's completely irrelevant anyway. I can assure you he was not about to drive his car because he was pinned to the ground being strangled to death!!

Court records below:

[Kai]

You used a neutral smiley not a wink smiley suggesting to me you were being serious.

I don't make assumptions about any posters ethnicity on here, I know what I don't know.

You can use a wink smiley but where's the fun in that

[Derek27]

While i understand that the Police should not be judge, jury and executioner are all these protesters aware of Mr Floyd's somewhat chequered past ?

- 1998 Prison for armed robbery
- 2002 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2004 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2005 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2007 Prison for armed robbery of a pregnant woman

When arrested and pinned to the ground he was high on meths and about to drive his car.

Obviously an interesting individual....

Be nice if you could link the source, but it's completely irrelevant anyway. I can assure you he was not about to drive his car because he was pinned to the ground being strangled to death!!

Court records below:

I'm not doubting what you've posted but the source is the place where you've got it.

[Archery1969]

Be nice if you could link the source, but it's completely irrelevant anyway. I can assure you he was not about to drive his car because he was pinned to the ground being strangled to death!!

Court records below:

I'm not doubting what you've posted but the source is the place where you've got it.

https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2020/05/28 ... al-record/

[sa7med]

Court records below:

I'm not doubting what you've posted but the source is the place where you've got it.

https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2020/05/28 ... al-record/

sorry but a blog post is not a valid source

[Derek27]

Court records below:

I'm not doubting what you've posted but the source is the place where you've got it.

https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2020/05/28 ... al-record/

That's confirmation bias - you've found a source that supports your case and looked no further.

The person on the receiving end of an allegation is entitled to the benefit of any doubt, so you should find official records or a reliable source.

[sa7med]

Would be if it were actually a fact. This source has it wrong according to the source that they cite.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018
Offender race/ethnicity
Victim race/
ethnicity
Number of
violent incidents Total Whitea Blacka Hispanic Asiana Othera,b Multiple offenders
of various races
Whitea 3,581,360 100% 62.1%* 15.3% † 10.2% † 2.2% † 8.1% † 2.1% †
Blacka 563,940 100% 10.6 † 70.3* 7.9 † <0.1! 9.3 † 1.9 ! †
Hispanic 734,410 100% 28.2 † 15.3 † 45.4* 0.6! † 7.4 † 3.0 †
Asiana 182,230 100% 24.1 27.5 7.0 ! † 24.1* 14.4! 2.9 ! †

3,581,360 white victims, 15.3% where the offender is black = 547,948 black-on-white violent crimes

563,940 black victims, 10.6% where the offender is white = 59,778 white-on-black violent crimes

It doesn't exactly match the figures quoted in the article but very similar. I suspect they were revised.

it's not valid to look at absolute figures, you need to adjust for population. To say it's 9:1 is a distortion. The number of incidents against white people is 6.35 * more the incidents against black people. Roughly in line with population proportions. From the table you could also say white people are more likely to be victims of white people (in line with population) and black people are more likely to be victims of black people (disproportionately). Further, I don't see how any of this was relevant to the conversation.

[Archery1969]

I'm not doubting what you've posted but the source is the place where you've got it.

https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2020/05/28 ... al-record/

sorry but a blog post is not a valid source

scroll down..

https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floy ... est/20177/

[sa7med]

https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2020/05/28 ... al-record/

sorry but a blog post is not a valid source

scroll down..

https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floy ... est/20177/

Again, sorry but that's a bullshit source. What the hell is the courier daily? Someone posted the same source the other day when alleging one of his victims was pregnant but I could not find any other sources. A random online publication is not a valid source. I could set up "thedailycourier.com" tomorrow and post all sorts of bollocks, doesn't make it true just because it's on the internet.

[sa7med]

sorry but a blog post is not a valid source

scroll down..

https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floy ... est/20177/

Again, sorry but that's a bullshit source. What the hell is the courier daily? Someone posted the same source the other day when alleging one of his victims was pregnant but I could not find any other sources. A random online publication is not a valid source. I could set up "thedailycourier.com" tomorrow and post all sorts of bollocks, doesn't make it true just because it's on the internet.

I'm not saying he was an angel or that he should be a martyr or whatever. I'm not even positing a position for or against the protests or riots or whatever you want to call them. I'm only saying that we should have a high regard for facts/evidence/sources. There's so much out there to sort through and it's very easy to find something that supports what you're saying but isn't necessarily true. I believe these matters should be treated empirically and not along left/right lines. It really frustrates me when someone says something along the lines of "but that's not what the leftist/right wing media would show" but are at the same time using obviously biased right wing/leftist media to make their point.

[Archery1969]

sorry but a blog post is not a valid source

scroll down..

https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floy ... est/20177/

Again, sorry but that's a bullshit source. What the hell is the courier daily? Someone posted the same source the other day when alleging one of his victims was pregnant but I could not find any other sources. A random online publication is not a valid source. I could set up "thedailycourier.com" tomorrow and post all sorts of bollocks, doesn't make it true just because it's on the internet.

Scroll down and you will see documents obtained by the Daily Mail. I have no idea if its true or not. I assume all will come out when the trial starts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lling.html