Dutch placing random £2 back on 1000

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DaveJessop
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I'm trying to place a dutch on the CS market and it usually works but 3 times the odds for AOD were 500 or 600 and I requested 900 and the software throws in a random £2 bet on AOD at 1000 even though the software says the stake would be 0.02 - what is happening?

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BTW - this is the Trader version
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ShaunWhite
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Betfair have a min bet size of £2 but BA uses a trick to let you place bets below that. Eg if you want to place a bet for £0.02 it places a £2 bet at 1000 (or 1.01) and then amends it to be the stake you want which is allowed by Betfair. But if the current back price is 1000 or lay price is 1.01 then that initial >min bet gets matched before it can be amended. This is also why sub £2 bets count as 2 transactions and why they're slower to place.
DaveJessop
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Thanks - so it's basically the odds going to 1000 from 500 before the amendment and there is nothing I can do to stop that?
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ShaunWhite
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DaveJessop wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:33 pm
Thanks - so it's basically the odds going to 1000 from 500 before the amendment and there is nothing I can do to stop that?
I'm not sure what you can do, it's not something I've had an issue with..... Could you exclude these rank outsiders from your Dutch?
DaveJessop
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I could do but it would leave me exposed
DaveJessop
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:35 pm
DaveJessop wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:33 pm
Thanks - so it's basically the odds going to 1000 from 500 before the amendment and there is nothing I can do to stop that?
I'm not sure what you can do, it's not something I've had an issue with..... Could you exclude these rank outsiders from your Dutch?
Tried that but I untick the box for 1000 and it ticks itself again - just don't get it
LinusP
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You can place a back of £0.01 at 1000 based on the £10 min liability, does BA not use this?
DaveJessop
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LinusP wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:49 pm
You can place a back of £0.01 at 1000 based on the £10 min liability, does BA not use this?
Yes but I'm using the dutching tool
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ShaunWhite
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DaveJessop wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:58 pm
LinusP wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:49 pm
You can place a back of £0.01 at 1000 based on the £10 min liability, does BA not use this?
Yes but I'm using the dutching tool
It doesn't matter what you use to calculate the bet, it's just a bet. LinusP is correct...as if that's ever in doubt ;)
It would help to keep the transaction count down too.
DaveJessop
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Wny idea what is happening with unticking the box for 1000 in the manual column and it ticking itself again?
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ShaunWhite
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DaveJessop wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:33 pm
Wny idea what is happening with unticking the box for 1000 in the manual column and it ticking itself again?
Is this ticked?
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DaveJessop
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all in manual column is ticked then I try to deselect AOD and the tick comes back
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ShaunWhite
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DaveJessop wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:56 pm
all in manual column is ticked then I try to deselect AOD and the tick comes back
I guess you tried unticking 'all' and selecting just the ones you want?
DaveJessop
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:11 pm
DaveJessop wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:56 pm
all in manual column is ticked then I try to deselect AOD and the tick comes back
I guess you tried unticking 'all' and selecting just the ones you want?
Yes -that's it - the "all" was still ticked at the top - thanks :)
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