Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Derek27]

It's irrelevant he died over 3 centuries ago, it was pulled down because of what it represented. If you can't see how black people might be offended at a statue of a slave trader in the middle of the city I think it's more likely you and Frank are living in the past rather than these 'anarchists' as you seem to tag them.

I never said it wasn't offensive. I'm just asking why now?

It's not just black people but anyone living in Bristol who may have found it offensive but they were happy to campaign up until now. They resemble a bunch of drunks on the way back from the pub who quietly walked past the statue on the way to the pub.

[jamesg46]

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/his ... lave-trade

This museum is a heck of a place to visit if you're ever near (that is if it isn't forced to close) - I've only been just the once and it was a real eye opener & way to much to absorb in one visit, so I do plan to go back at some point.

I'm not sure how the forum got onto this topic, especially on this thread & i'm not going back through the posts to catch up but considering the topic or debate is happening I thought i'd offer a place that is worth while visiting.

Now I've upset myself because I swore i'd leave this thread for good.

[Derek27]

The protests are slightly relevant to this thread because they're spreading the virus.

I think it was linked by being described as a pandemic.

[jamesg46]

The protests are slightly relevant to this thread because they're spreading the virus.

I think it was linked by being described as a pandemic.

Makes sense now, thanks for filling the gap.

[Kai]

The protests are slightly relevant to this thread because they're spreading the virus.

I think it was linked by being described as a pandemic.

Makes sense now, thanks for filling the gap.

It was superhans I think : viewtopic.php?p=222238#p222238

[spreadbetting]

The protests are slightly relevant to this thread because they're spreading the virus.

I think it was linked by being described as a pandemic.

Makes sense now, thanks for filling the gap.

We're just lucky it's only the filthy protesters that spread the virus and not the people flocking to the beaches I suppose.

[jamesg46]

The protests are slightly relevant to this thread because they're spreading the virus.

I think it was linked by being described as a pandemic.

Makes sense now, thanks for filling the gap.

We're just lucky it's only the filthy protesters that spread the virus and not the people flocking to the beaches I suppose.

I think both groups have had there share of backlash on social media, tbh i dont really care about it because it's not like my opinion is relevant in the grand scheme of things. There will always be someone with a difference of opinion and I cant be arsed spending my time being a bigot, I've done enough of that in my past.

[Trader Pat]

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/his ... lave-trade

This museum is a heck of a place to visit if you're ever near (that is if it isn't forced to close) - I've only been just the once and it was a real eye opener & way to much to absorb in one visit, so I do plan to go back at some point.

I'm not sure how the forum got onto this topic, especially on this thread & i'm not going back through the posts to catch up but considering the topic or debate is happening I thought i'd offer a place that is worth while visiting.

I've been there, pretty incredible place. Its a shame the museum isnt promoted as much as some of the cities other attractions, its very educational.

Now I've upset myself because I swore i'd leave this thread for good.

This thread is a bit like twitter, you promise yourself you're done but it keeps sucking you back in

[jamesg46]

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/his ... lave-trade

This museum is a heck of a place to visit if you're ever near (that is if it isn't forced to close) - I've only been just the once and it was a real eye opener & way to much to absorb in one visit, so I do plan to go back at some point.

I'm not sure how the forum got onto this topic, especially on this thread & i'm not going back through the posts to catch up but considering the topic or debate is happening I thought i'd offer a place that is worth while visiting.

I've been there, pretty incredible place. Its a shame the museum isnt promoted as much as some of the cities other attractions, its very educational.

Now I've upset myself because I swore i'd leave this thread for good.

This thread is a bit like twitter, you promise yourself you're done but it keeps sucking you back in

Exactly this!

[Kai]

I feel the same about the forum tbh

[firlandsfarm]

Times change we don't need to live in the past and are quite capable of making our own history.

Hey, let's take down every statue and placard because there is bound to be someone who is offended. Our history is our history, we may not like it but we cannot change it. Colston brought a lot of money to Bristol as did others in Bristol and it's success as a city was down to trade (mainly slaves and tobacco). As a reward to all in Bristol it was made a county (I think Lancaster is the only other city with that accolade, not even London!) so surely we should be razing the whole city to the ground because those who know the history of Bristol should see it as a monument to slavery. But wait … no they can't do that they live there so they will tolerate that they may live in a house built on slave money, in a city built on slave money and for some studying at a university that was in part funded by slave money. Just a rioting mob of hypocrites!

[Derek27]

Demolish the Whitehouse (preferably with DT in it) - that was built by slaves!

The house that Ian Huntley, Fred West, Mark Bridger, etc. lived in were all demolished after their hideous crimes that took place inside. But I once had a bedsit in a building over 400 years old. I reckon it's odds-on that a woman or child was raped in the very room that I lived in, over such a long period of time!

You have to put the distant past behind you. Fair enough arguing that a former resident is nothing to be proud of but don't go on the rampage like a pack of hounds as if it all happened yesterday. Even Colston wasn't responsible for the death of George Floyd.

[jamesg46]

I think rather than protesting to change history which is obviously unchangeable, we could be using our efforts to take a look at what's right in front of us, which is modern day slavery... I have seen multiple programmes where immigration officers have raided places like hand car washes & takeaways, we have eastern europeans being used as sex slaves and I have a strange feeling that fruit picking might also be exploiting cheap labour from desperate people trying to find a better life.

Most people could be said to be guilty in some form or other because of our desire for cheap products, be it a pair of trainers or a 6 quid pair of Jean's, right down to wanting not to pay over the odds for a pack of Strawberries or a curry on a Saturday night (maybe right after leaving that young woman down the local brothel) the vast majority of people are too busy to wash their own car these days so we go and get some young immigrants to do it for a tenner.

One of the main differences between now and then is that some of these people are getting into boats to come here for this life, instead of getting on a boat that was sent for them. Privilege is the right to voice your anger, if this is anything to go by then we have only scratched the surface of what's to come & unfortunately, nearly everyone including those protesting are completely blind to it.

[sa7med]

Times change we don't need to live in the past and are quite capable of making our own history.

Hey, let's take down every statue and placard because there is bound to be someone who is offended. Our history is our history, we may not like it but we cannot change it. Colston brought a lot of money to Bristol as did others in Bristol and it's success as a city was down to trade (mainly slaves and tobacco). As a reward to all in Bristol it was made a county (I think Lancaster is the only other city with that accolade, not even London!) so surely we should be razing the whole city to the ground because those who know the history of Bristol should see it as a monument to slavery. But wait … no they can't do that they live there so they will tolerate that they may live in a house built on slave money, in a city built on slave money and for some studying at a university that was in part funded by slave money. Just a rioting mob of hypocrites!

Can't say I agree with people taking actions into their own hands extra legally but that argument doesn't hold. No one is saying that all traces of troublesome history should be erased, that would be quite absurd. Just that we shouldn't glorify those who were responsible. That's a valid view I think, and it's conclusion isn't that you destroy the white house or level the great city of bristol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

[Derek27]

We need a protest to end all protests. There is protest, disruption and chaos all over the world at the moment, except for places like Russia, China and North Korea. And that feels like a better place to be right now.