Moving Averages!

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RJONES333
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Hi Guys
I have been using BA for over a month and explored its many powerful features, but the only thing lacking is the functionality to use moving averages in the rules, do you have plans to intergrate MAs, PLEASE!?
Getting the MAs from Excels is a 2 second delay and when trying to scale beyond 1 tab in excel it just starts grinding/slows, MAs will defo give us the advantage we need.
Many thanks for a great exciting product.
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jamesg46
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Would storing the price using stored values and then dividing them by whatever time increments you store them at not do the same thing?

I'm no expert on writing rules files but I think it is possible.
sa7med
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The VWAP is a moving average, stands for 'volume weighted average price'
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ShaunWhite
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sa7med wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:30 pm
The VWAP is a moving average, stands for 'volume weighted average price'
It's not a moving average.
It's an average between when VWAP was fixed/reset and the current time, so the averaged period gets longer. Moving VWAP isn't something BA can do because it doesn't expose the info you'd need to calculate it with a rolling start point.
sa7med
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:22 pm
sa7med wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:30 pm
The VWAP is a moving average, stands for 'volume weighted average price'
It's not a moving average.
It's an average between when VWAP was fixed/reset and the current time, so the averaged period gets longer. Moving VWAP isn't something BA can do because it doesn't expose the info you'd need to calculate it with a rolling start point.
My mistake. Thanks for the correction. I thought there were some additions where you can select when the VWAP is recorded.
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firlandsfarm
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I've not thought this through fully but if you wanted a SMA10 could you not record the current price at say 1 second intervals in SV P1, P", P3 … P10, keep a running total of them and then divide by 10 to get SMA10. Then update P1 (as price 11) and recalculate. May not be easy and may use quite a lot of resource but just a thought.
RJONES333
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Hi Guys

Cheers for the comments, I need to store up to a 500 Price Moving average and 300 150 100 50 and monitor the cross overs for entries and exists, trends, etc. I dont think that can be done within Bet Angel? (Yet?)

Thanks
jamesg46
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RJONES333 wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:39 pm
Hi Guys

Cheers for the comments, I need to store up to a 500 Price Moving average and 300 150 100 50 and monitor the cross overs for entries and exists, trends, etc. I dont think that can be done within Bet Angel? (Yet?)

Thanks
Tbh I think it speaks volumes in itself, with this software package being the most advanced there is on the market & a range of proffesional automated and manual traders using it, then i'd have to suggest that those averages probably aren't going to be widely used, and or respected (if no one is looking at them.)

I'm not sure the racing markets are ready to be hit by all them averages :D

Who knows though (certainly not me as I havent used them.) Keep us updated on how you get on & if you find any success with them, i've always been curious as to what averages are well respeted within the sports markets.
RJONES333
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Bet Angel guys, is there any requirement in the backlog to add in moving averages to the rules, is what I was trying to ask? Thanks
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RJONES333 wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:17 pm
Bet Angel guys, is there any requirement in the backlog to add in moving averages to the rules, is what I was trying to ask? Thanks
If your spreadsheet skills are up to it you can do whatwever you want with BA Excel
RJONES333
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My vba skills are good, but there is still a 1.5 second ish delay to publish Moving Averages (sailed), I wish BA had MAs available!
I will keep using the Excel version of MAs and Bet commands but its not the same if BA provided the MAs just like every other trading platform, no disrespect to what they have achieved already
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ShaunWhite
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sa7med wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:37 am
My mistake. Thanks for the correction. I thought there were some additions where you can select when the VWAP is recorded.
I think they added a feature to reset it. So you can have vwap from midday, or from 5mins out etc. But I don't think you can have multiple reset points and refer to each seperately. Before that vwap was calculated from when the market first opened.
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firlandsfarm
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RJONES333 wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:17 pm
My vba skills are good, but there is still a 1.5 second ish delay to publish Moving Averages (sailed), I wish BA had MAs available!
I will keep using the Excel version of MAs and Bet commands but its not the same if BA provided the MAs just like every other trading platform, no disrespect to what they have achieved already
I understand your wish for MAs but I am not aware of a sports trading app with MAs. BA cannot be compared with META etc.
MAGTRADEUK
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Deja vu
Reminds me of my first days trading stocks etc, all the tech analysis, ma's etc etc. I still dont think personally it does any good, especially in sports markets. The ma's are a lagging indicator and from my experience, sports, especially Horse racing and probably Dogs have very active price movements with only 5 mins from the off. Therefore I beleive most price action before this point is not up to date or as relevant. If I had 1pence for every man hour that had been used up on moving average theory i.e. reckon I would be very well off. But each to their own.

Remember, the trend is your friend, except the bend at the end.
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dropss81
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Hello Traders...

1. I've noticed new improvements into BA-"markers". Some of features include VWAP.. Is a lot of discussion on forum around this, but in order to use in automation VWAP, I would like to understand how this value is calculated step by step.

2. My Idea is to display on ladder similar with High/Low traded prices-markers.
On a market (for example 5 runners) the higher Price (Back Price) for runner A is given by Back prices from runners B-E in order for Back Book % to be >100%

For Lower Price (Lay Price) - Lay Book % <100%.

Thanks..I look forward for a helpful replay
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