Giving it a go

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giveitago
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Hello All,

Early last year I went on Peter's course. It's good to see that kind of enthusiasm pouring out on a subject that truly intrigues me! I left the course with the intention of getting stuck in but with my business taking up a lot of my time at that point and the birth of my son it's been pretty hectic! I'm now in a position to sit down and have a go at this and am looking to dedicate a month to seeing if I can get away without losing money. With this I'm looking at a couple of hours in the evening on the racing through the week and around 3 hours on Saturday and if I can squeeze it past the missus a few more on Sunday.

So that I don't scare myself with the money that I'm putting in I'm starting small and building with each successive day. After just sitting and watching the markets for a few weeks I started on Friday evening with £2 stakes, traded 7 races making a loss on 1 to make a hansom return of 26p :lol: watch your back Heathcote! On Saturday I doubled stakes to £4, traded 12 races making a loss on 4 of them to give me a deja vous figure of 26p again! I will be trying next with a stake of £8.

The way I'm approaching this is:

1) Check the grade of a race to try to work out how it's going to behave.

2) Heavy graph use to try to highlight a repeating trend or a shift in the market.

3) Look where money has already been matched to see what people are considering value.

4) Look at the structure of the money that's waiting to be matched on the ladder to look for weak points that would speed the price in or out if the chunk at the front is taken.

5) Don't use a stop loss, just go in manually and cut out manually using the trading calculator.

This seems to be reasonably successfully on my small scale but I have a couple of questions that I hope some more knowledgeable traders can answer. Please feel free to flame me if I've missed these responses in previous posts but I did do a search before putting fingers to keyboard.

1) What should I be looking for on book percentage? I see that it regularly hovers around 102% on the back side. Is there a trigger I should be looking for here if combining with say a switch in the WOM?

2) I've been looking to get in on the end of a trend and catch it on the bounce, but have found that a few times prices have come in and in and not done a final flip. If I'd jumped on this trend I would have done very well, but refrained as that wasn't my strategy. From the limited races I've seen this seems to happen from 4 minutes from the off onwards. Does anyone have any details on price movements that are relative to time before the off?

3) Does anyone have any scenarios for different race types that highlight known trends?

I do think a lot of this will be trial and error but a nudge in the right direction would be most appreciated.

Best regards,
Simon
misimiki
Posts: 85
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:58 am

I am in a similar situation to you: business, young family etc only I haven't been on the Betangel course (yet).

I burned through my first deposit with elementary mistakes, well actually I was gambling rather the trading as it turns out.

The second deposit (and I hope final) is up around 30% because I have been trying to instill discipline in myself by cutting/scratching bad trades early, but most of all because I am now spending my time studying the graphs religiously and trying to make one or two choice trades rather than several slightly hit or miss ones. Due to my small bankroll I only use 2 GBP stakes until I can build it up as I have learned about money management the hard way playing poker. Also another tip I learned was to try and look at your bankroll as points as opposed to pounds. The money has been committed as is as good as spent, so why consider it as money. Removing this emotional barrier helps you take on a trader's mentality which, as far as I understand, helps separate the men from the boys.

This week and the weekend it seems to have worked well, and I was able to spot several trends and capitalize on them. Best of all yesterday was the first time I didn't loose in a market (14 in total) which was a huge psychological boost and a milestone I didn't expect to hit for a while. I also found the opportunity to try other stategies: I dutched two races but only really for experimentation. One was literally a two horse race (6.40 Hamilton) and I squeezed 13p after commission on a 10 GBP bet. I placed these 2 bets about 15 mins before the off

As far as ladder/one click trading was concerned these last few days I have noticed the biggest market activity took place 10-7 minutes before the off, certainly it was generally quieter at 5 mins.

I have found lots of useful advice on various blogs in my quest to read the markets better which has helped enormously but I would like to go on Peter's course.

BTW this is my first post to this forum.

michael
Point2Point
Posts: 81
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:59 am

I started out trading without any direction but I've since learnt, and been told, how to trade properly. If you are starting out then keep it simple and don't cut out too quickly in either direction. You will learn a lot from just messing around with small stakes.
giveitago
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Hi Point2Point,

Didn't cut out straight away and tried to get a feel for the market tonight. With £2 stakes I got this:

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Sligo 6th Aug : 2m INHF 06-Aug-09 20:20 06-Aug-09 20:30 0.02
Horse Racing / Folk 6th Aug : 1m1f Hcap 06-Aug-09 20:15 06-Aug-09 20:18 0.04
Horse Racing / Bath 6th Aug : 1m Hcap 06-Aug-09 20:05 06-Aug-09 20:08 0.17
Horse Racing / Sand 6th Aug : 1m2f Hcap 06-Aug-09 19:55 06-Aug-09 20:05 0.04
Horse Racing / Sligo 6th Aug : 3m Mdn Hrd 06-Aug-09 19:50 06-Aug-09 20:03 0.06
Horse Racing / Folk 6th Aug : 1m7f Hcap 06-Aug-09 19:40 06-Aug-09 19:49 0.12
Horse Racing / Sand 6th Aug : 1m Hcap 06-Aug-09 19:20 06-Aug-09 19:32 0.09
Horse Racing / Bath 6th Aug : 6f Claim Stks 06-Aug-09 19:30 06-Aug-09 19:32 0.14

At least all was green!

If anyone has any pointers or tips please feel free to let me know. I think it would also benefit others as I'm sure there's not just me who's decided to give this a decent crack to see if they can make it work.

Best regards,
Simon
giveitago
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Hello All,

Just thought I'd add these questions again - plus my own version of the reply. Can anyone shed more light on these? :?:

1) What should I be looking for on book percentage? I see that it regularly hovers around 102% on the back side. Is there a trigger I should be looking for here if combining with say a switch in the WOM?

-- I've started a detailed spreadsheet log that lists number of runners, distance, lowest and highest price on the fav, fav's price movement, average book percentage, my own confidence level in the market, etc. The aim of this is to try to identify race trends. Is this the only way or has someone posted something similar?

2) I've been looking to get in on the end of a trend and catch it on the bounce, but have found that a few times prices have come in and in and not done a final flip. If I'd jumped on this trend I would have done very well, but refrained as that wasn't my strategy. From the limited races I've seen this seems to happen from 4 minutes from the off onwards. Does anyone have any details on price movements that are relative to time before the off?

-- Again, I think my Excel sheet will help here on trying to identify this characteristic. Is this the only way or has someone posted something similar?

3) Does anyone have any scenarios for different race types that highlight known trends?

-- Yet again, yep you guessed it! I hope to try to work this out with my spreadsheet. And one more time... Is this the only way or has someone posted something similar?

Cheers,
Simon
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