I am fairly new to Bet Angel and have been enjoying learning to trade during lockdown. It's an excellent piece of software and the forum has been extremely useful.
I have had some exciting success in the last few days with an Automation file trading horse racing markets.
However, on one of the UK races this evening it would appear the rules in the bot haven't triggered as expected and I cant understand why.
The bot placed a series of back bets seemingly at random outside of the trigger times (10:00 to 08:00 before event start time).
I also have cancel unmatched bets rules (back and lay separately) which didn't trigger and the bot tried to green all for significantly more stake than was matched in the market at that point.
I wonder if anyone has observed this type of behavior before and if automation rules can misfire or this is user error.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Unexplained Automation Error
If you can post some screenshots of the settings used in rule/s and log for that market it should let us know what went wrong
Rules can't just fire randomly, there has to be an underlying reason within the way they've been set up thats caused it
Rules can't just fire randomly, there has to be an underlying reason within the way they've been set up thats caused it
Thank you for the very quick response.
Essentially the file is placing back or lay bets at the High or Low traded price between 10 minutes and 8 minutes. Condition to place the bets if the LTP is within 10 ticks.
There are 2 green up files looking to hedge at a max loss position and a profit position with 2 minutes to go.
A final green all before the race starts.
Log extract as follows:
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 22.50 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.71. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982979 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.19 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982921 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.64 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982922 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.41 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982923 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 28.52 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.7. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982980 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 76.06 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.63. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983086 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 41.11 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983085 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 34.72 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983117 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 54.45 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983083 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 61.43 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.65. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983097 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 47.68 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983109 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 68.63 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.64. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983088 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:17:40: [G_Auto] : £ 16.19 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982921) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:40: [G_Auto] : £ 16.01 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.76. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354261841
14/07/2020 19:17:41: [G_Auto] : £ 16.41 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982923) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:41: [G_Auto] : £ 16.22 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.75. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354262713
14/07/2020 19:17:51: [G_Auto] : £ 4.15 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354285380
14/07/2020 19:17:51: [G_Auto] : £ 16.64 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982922) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:52: [G_Auto] : £ 12.30 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354285822
14/07/2020 19:18:52: [G_Auto] : £ 15.55 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354380463
14/07/2020 19:18:57: [G_Auto] : £ 22.5 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982979) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:18:57: [G_Auto] : £ 6.69 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354388057
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 21.49 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354402197
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 28.52 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982980) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 6.70 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354402564
14/07/2020 19:19:15: [G_Auto] : £ 34.72 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983117) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:19:15: [G_Auto] : £ 34.31 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.71. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354416154
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 68.63 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983088) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 47.68 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983109) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : Greened up Glen Force by Backing 465.29 at 1.61
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : Cancelling bets 205354261841 205354262713 205354285380 205354285822 205354380463 205354388057 205354402197 205354402564
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 61.43 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983097) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 54.45 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983083) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 41.11 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983085) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 76.06 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983086) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 47.12 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583810
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 67.80 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583720
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 53.80 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583967
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 40.63 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.7. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354584077
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 60.69 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583879
14/07/2020 19:20:41: [G_Auto] : £ 75.14 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.65. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354584178
14/07/2020 19:23:26: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 349.68 at 1.65
14/07/2020 19:23:44: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 345.49 at 1.67
14/07/2020 19:23:45: Cancelling bets 205354955865
14/07/2020 19:24:06: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 329.70 at 1.75
14/07/2020 19:24:07: Cancelling bets 205354993753
14/07/2020 19:24:15: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 327.82 at 1.76
14/07/2020 19:24:16: Cancelling bets 205355044820
14/07/2020 19:24:20: Cancelling bets 205355066457
14/07/2020 19:24:20: Greened up Glen Force by Laying 322.33 at 1.79
14/07/2020 19:26:52: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
14/07/2020 19:26:53: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
14/07/2020 19:26:54: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
14/07/2020 19:28:21: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
Essentially the file is placing back or lay bets at the High or Low traded price between 10 minutes and 8 minutes. Condition to place the bets if the LTP is within 10 ticks.
There are 2 green up files looking to hedge at a max loss position and a profit position with 2 minutes to go.
A final green all before the race starts.
Log extract as follows:
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 22.50 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.71. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982979 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.19 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982921 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.64 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982922 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 16.41 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982923 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 28.52 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.7. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353982980 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 76.06 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.63. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983086 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 41.11 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983085 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 34.72 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983117 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 54.45 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983083 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 61.43 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.65. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983097 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 47.68 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983109 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:15:01: [G_Auto] : £ 68.63 Lay bet placed on Glen Force at 1.64. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205353983088 ( Fill or kill bet with 480 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
14/07/2020 19:17:40: [G_Auto] : £ 16.19 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982921) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:40: [G_Auto] : £ 16.01 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.76. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354261841
14/07/2020 19:17:41: [G_Auto] : £ 16.41 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982923) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:41: [G_Auto] : £ 16.22 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.75. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354262713
14/07/2020 19:17:51: [G_Auto] : £ 4.15 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354285380
14/07/2020 19:17:51: [G_Auto] : £ 16.64 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982922) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:17:52: [G_Auto] : £ 12.30 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354285822
14/07/2020 19:18:52: [G_Auto] : £ 15.55 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354380463
14/07/2020 19:18:57: [G_Auto] : £ 22.5 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982979) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:18:57: [G_Auto] : £ 6.69 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.73. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354388057
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 21.49 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354402197
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 28.52 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353982980) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:19:05: [G_Auto] : £ 6.70 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354402564
14/07/2020 19:19:15: [G_Auto] : £ 34.72 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983117) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:19:15: [G_Auto] : £ 34.31 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.71. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354416154
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 68.63 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983088) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 47.68 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983109) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : Greened up Glen Force by Backing 465.29 at 1.61
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : Cancelling bets 205354261841 205354262713 205354285380 205354285822 205354380463 205354388057 205354402197 205354402564
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 61.43 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983097) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 54.45 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983083) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 41.11 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983085) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 76.06 of unmatched bet (Ref:205353983086) was filled before remainder was killed.
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 47.12 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583810
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 67.80 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583720
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 53.80 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583967
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 40.63 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.7. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354584077
14/07/2020 19:20:40: [G_Auto] : £ 60.69 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354583879
14/07/2020 19:20:41: [G_Auto] : £ 75.14 Back bet placed on Glen Force at 1.65. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 205354584178
14/07/2020 19:23:26: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 349.68 at 1.65
14/07/2020 19:23:44: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 345.49 at 1.67
14/07/2020 19:23:45: Cancelling bets 205354955865
14/07/2020 19:24:06: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 329.70 at 1.75
14/07/2020 19:24:07: Cancelling bets 205354993753
14/07/2020 19:24:15: Placed closure bet on Glen Force by Laying 327.82 at 1.76
14/07/2020 19:24:16: Cancelling bets 205355044820
14/07/2020 19:24:20: Cancelling bets 205355066457
14/07/2020 19:24:20: Greened up Glen Force by Laying 322.33 at 1.79
14/07/2020 19:26:52: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
14/07/2020 19:26:53: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
14/07/2020 19:26:54: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
14/07/2020 19:28:21: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
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Everything looks fine upto when the green up rule triggered, is that where the problem occured?
It looks like you has some bets matched at the same time as the green up order hit the market (your top green up rule), as it was only armed to trigger once it left an inbalance in the P/L.
Had it been armed to trigger again it should of mopped it up and spread it evenly
It looks like you has some bets matched at the same time as the green up order hit the market (your top green up rule), as it was only armed to trigger once it left an inbalance in the P/L.
Had it been armed to trigger again it should of mopped it up and spread it evenly
That makes sense. The big price drop must have triggered the green up on loss rule. The condition in here may be out of balance with the staking plan, hedging before it’s had chance to recover.
I still can’t understand why the back bets are going on with less than 8 minutes to race start. The file is set up for 10:00 to 08:00. Like you say it looks like these start getting matched as the price increases putting me in a worse position. I was hoping to maximise stakes by putting the bets on the lay or the back side depending on where the price was. Could the price have moved closer and triggered the back bets to place - still though, they shouldn’t have gone in with less than 8 minutes to go?
I still can’t understand why the back bets are going on with less than 8 minutes to race start. The file is set up for 10:00 to 08:00. Like you say it looks like these start getting matched as the price increases putting me in a worse position. I was hoping to maximise stakes by putting the bets on the lay or the back side depending on where the price was. Could the price have moved closer and triggered the back bets to place - still though, they shouldn’t have gone in with less than 8 minutes to go?
The back bets are the offsets from your lay bets, you have the fill/kill time for these set at 480secs, so the lays could be matched and offset back bets placed upto 8mins latersamcoopz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:32 pmThat makes sense. The big price drop must have triggered the green up on loss rule. The condition in here may be out of balance with the staking plan, hedging before it’s had chance to recover.
I still can’t understand why the back bets are going on with less than 8 minutes to race start. The file is set up for 10:00 to 08:00. Like you say it looks like these start getting matched as the price increases putting me in a worse position. I was hoping to maximise stakes by putting the bets on the lay or the back side depending on where the price was. Could the price have moved closer and triggered the back bets to place - still though, they shouldn’t have gone in with less than 8 minutes to go?