6% profit on bankroll per day

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Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:14 pm
smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:12 pm
He trades nearly every day afaik..he is unique I have to say..lightening reflexes for his style..not for me..i'm too old for all that :D
That's great to hear, an order flow trades does need almost catlike reflexes at times :D

But the bank part is easy, you simply invest your profits in it, first thing I did as well so there was no need to top up the account past the initial deposit, but based on those stake sizes you have to scale your confidence levels and comfort zones first, which will take some doing, the stake sizes suggest that it's a bit on the low side. That's where most of the real work will have to be done, although you did pass the first part with flying colors so well done once again :)

Especially if you're feeling bored, that's a great sign of good trading.
I have very fixed rules on entry and exit which I do not question. I have tried to make my manual trading as automated as possible so there is no doubt. Works better for me that way. I tried the free flowing, click at will approach and it never ended well :D. I think this rigid rule tactic should make scaling up easier as I can trust that the numbers will be in my favour in the long run, no matter what stake I get up to (or at least whatever the market will take)
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smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:20 pm
I think this rigid rule tactic should make scaling up easier as I can trust that the numbers will be in my favour in the long run, no matter what stake I get up to (or at least whatever the market will take)
Hopefully that makes it a bit easier, but still shouldn't expect the scaling process to be easy, I think this is where it's most likely to all fall apart for most people.

Rigid tactics are a good start but to ensure longevity in the market I believe a trader has to be as flexible as possible, say if the market shifts slightly and evolves a year from now then you can find that this same rigid approach may not work that well anymore. Quick reactions are only possible if you are quick in mind and order flow will often demand quick decisions from you, since by the time you're mulling over whether to accept this result in 2 seconds time you may be offered a different result which may then feel unacceptable etc, helps to make most of these decisions beforehand (aka framing trades).

Strong consistency can build some nice strong habits, and muscle memory is there to help out with the more intuitive stuff, which can bore the mind if it doesn't have much to do like you've already experienced :)

Regarding confidence, I think only when you can successfully attack the same market from a few different angles that you can start feeling confident enough in your ability to adapt no matter how the markets change over time. So the work never stops really, if you're in it for the long haul.
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be careful, the P&L police might be watching..

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Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:43 pm
smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:20 pm
I think this rigid rule tactic should make scaling up easier as I can trust that the numbers will be in my favour in the long run, no matter what stake I get up to (or at least whatever the market will take)
Hopefully that makes it a bit easier, but still shouldn't expect the scaling process to be easy, I think this is where it's most likely to all fall apart for most people.

Rigid tactics are a good start but to ensure longevity in the market I believe a trader has to be as flexible as possible, say if the market shifts slightly and evolves a year from now then you can find that this same rigid approach may not work that well anymore. Quick reactions are only possible if you are quick in mind and order flow will often demand quick decisions from you, since by the time you're mulling over whether to accept this result in 2 seconds time you may be offered a different result which may then feel unacceptable etc, helps to make most of these decisions beforehand (aka framing trades).

Strong consistency can build some nice strong habits, and muscle memory is there to help out with the more intuitive stuff, which can bore the mind if it doesn't have much to do like you've already experienced :)

Regarding confidence, I think only when you can successfully attack the same market from a few different angles that you can start feeling confident enough in your ability to adapt no matter how the markets change over time. So the work never stops really, if you're in it for the long haul.
Noted Kai. You are correct and I have made same observations. I know my weak areas but for now I am focusing on consistency and rigid rules lets me achieve this. Later I will branch out and try new stuff. Having those predefined points of entry and exit gives me some free time to watch and study ladders also, so good that way.
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Korattt wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:46 pm
be careful, the P&L police might be watching..


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:D

Following your posts Korattt, as I know you are trading mainly pre off looking for swings..similar to myself
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Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:14 pm
Especially if you're feeling bored, that's a great sign of good trading.
I must be a lousy trader, I've never got bored with :D trading.
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smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:15 pm
I'm in no big rush to scale up as I know it will alter things ..just wanna keep churning consistency..Thanks to all for confirming 6% is doing ok
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You can scale up gradually. Increase your bank by 10% - increase your stakes by 10%.

The worst thing you can do is double your bank and then double your stakes. Double losses can be painful and feel disorientating.
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:08 pm
smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:15 pm
I'm in no big rush to scale up as I know it will alter things ..just wanna keep churning consistency..Thanks to all for confirming 6% is doing ok
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You can scale up gradually. Increase your bank by 10% - increase your stakes by 10%.

The worst thing you can do is double your bank and then double your stakes. Double losses can be painful and feel disorientating.
Any setbacks I've had in the past was when I played too large a bank too soon. I hope i'm wiser now :D
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:06 pm
Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:14 pm
Especially if you're feeling bored, that's a great sign of good trading.
I must be a lousy trader, I've never got bored with :D trading.
You are an exception that only serves to prove that rule, you are able to find a bit of excitement even in Paraguayan and Peruvian football :D

If you want some proper excitement, check out the other side of the racing market, the inplay one!
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smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Korattt wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:46 pm
be careful, the P&L police might be watching..


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:D

Following your posts Korattt, as I know you are trading mainly pre off looking for swings..similar to myself
only messing.. best of luck my friend 👍🏻
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Korattt wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:31 pm
smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Korattt wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:46 pm
be careful, the P&L police might be watching..


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:D

Following your posts Korattt, as I know you are trading mainly pre off looking for swings..similar to myself
only messing.. best of luck my friend 👍🏻
I meant that seriously..I read your posts on pre off for tips as I reckon you are trading similar to my style. Not that many pre off manual traders that I know of on here? Euler, you, To7ne. Lots may dabble but seem to be mix of auto and footy, etc I appreciate all the advice from everyone as I know they have the experience, but its the pre off horse gems I look for.
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pure manual me, just cannot fathom anything on automation, totally useless at it, admire people with that knowledge I really do
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Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:14 pm
If you want some proper excitement, check out the other side of the racing market, the inplay one!
I regret not getting more involved in in-play betting when I was studying racing. I knew the triers, the lazy ones, idiosyncrasies, etc. Doesn't appeal to me now.
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smallplayer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Not that many pre off manual traders that I know of on here? Euler, you, To7ne. Lots may dabble but seem to be mix of auto and footy, etc I appreciate all the advice from everyone as I know they have the experience, but its the pre off horse gems I look for.
Perception is a funny thing - I trade football and always feel like the forum is 90% manual pre-off horse traders!
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Kai wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:14 pm
You are an exception that only serves to prove that rule, you are able to find a bit of excitement even in Paraguayan and Peruvian football :D
Liverpool v Arsenal will be interesting if I make it back from the supermarket on time. :)
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