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Morbius
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goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:35 pm
Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:28 pm
goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:17 pm


At 2mins out, I think there was about 200k traded, so was good, I just got it very wrong!!


were you on the back or the lay side Goat and how often are you seeing these jumps happen as a rule??
Back side, about 1 in 10 markets

When you say back side do you mean the conventional back side or with colours switched.....ie...did you back and it pinged out....just trying to clear any confusion lol
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Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:42 pm
goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:35 pm
Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:28 pm




were you on the back or the lay side Goat and how often are you seeing these jumps happen as a rule??
Back side, about 1 in 10 markets

When you say back side do you mean the conventional back side or with colours switched.....ie...did you back and it pinged out....just trying to clear any confusion lol
Yes, back, I wanted price to go lower!
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Morbius
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Bit hard to comment without more data Goat, can you recall what the price of the fav was assuming of course you were trading the favourite.

Personally I am struggling to see that you did anything wrong
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Given up on a strict 3tick stop loss, I've lost every market this afternoon, some did revert if I had stayed in...
Really don't know how you do it Korattt with your win consistency... give us a clue please?
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goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:10 pm
Given up on a strict 3tick stop loss, I've lost every market this afternoon, some did revert if I had stayed in...
Really don't know how you do it Korattt with your win consistency... give us a clue please?
had an absoulte shocker myself today as well
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Morbius
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Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:35 pm
goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:10 pm
Given up on a strict 3tick stop loss, I've lost every market this afternoon, some did revert if I had stayed in...
Really don't know how you do it Korattt with your win consistency... give us a clue please?
had an absoulte shocker myself today as well

what were you seeing Bubace...jumpy volatility???
Bubace
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Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:42 pm
Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:35 pm
goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:10 pm
Given up on a strict 3tick stop loss, I've lost every market this afternoon, some did revert if I had stayed in...
Really don't know how you do it Korattt with your win consistency... give us a clue please?
had an absoulte shocker myself today as well

what were you seeing Bubace...jumpy volatility???
No not even that Really, there was a little bit, but just a day of bad choices, as usual the ones that i seemed to get right are about the 1.5/1.8 price, the wrong ones between 5.0 and 7.0, and 5 ticks profit is not too much at 1.5, instead of 5 ticks loss at 6.6

i wont even say i got them right or wrong, think its basically just random for me still

thats the most frustrating thing, im not bothered about the money or the losses as i see it as paying for training, and 6 months down the line i feel like i know so much more than i did at the start, but i clearly dont as nothing changes

c'est la vie
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Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:54 pm
Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:42 pm
Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:35 pm


had an absoulte shocker myself today as well

what were you seeing Bubace...jumpy volatility???
No not even that Really, there was a little bit, but just a day of bad choices, as usual the ones that i seemed to get right are about the 1.5/1.8 price, the wrong ones between 5.0 and 7.0, and 5 ticks profit is not too much at 1.5, instead of 5 ticks loss at 6.6

i wont even say i got them right or wrong, think its basically just random for me still

thats the most frustrating thing, im not bothered about the money or the losses as i see it as paying for training, and 6 months down the line i feel like i know so much more than i did at the start, but i clearly dont as nothing changes

c'est la vie

Experience is intellectual property so don't devalue it because it has value. Many investment banks value people with actual trading experience even if they lost because they have learned a lot of what not to do. You probably won't even notice the transformation from where you were at the outset to where you are now but the latest version of yourself will be vastly superior to where you began.
smallplayer
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goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:10 pm
Given up on a strict 3tick stop loss, I've lost every market this afternoon, some did revert if I had stayed in...
Really don't know how you do it Korattt with your win consistency... give us a clue please?
One day of 3 tick SL is not enough Goat..give it a chance at least..Korattt has told you already he takes max 4 ticks, except for unusual circumstances, and i myself take max 4..its been working for me for quite a while now. It's just one day..on another day you would go 20 wins straight with 3 tick SL. Also, as i have said in previous posts, you need to watch quite a few of Peter's video's to see him take more than a 3/4 tick SL. In fact, I can only think of one.
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Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:06 pm
Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:54 pm
Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:42 pm



what were you seeing Bubace...jumpy volatility???
No not even that Really, there was a little bit, but just a day of bad choices, as usual the ones that i seemed to get right are about the 1.5/1.8 price, the wrong ones between 5.0 and 7.0, and 5 ticks profit is not too much at 1.5, instead of 5 ticks loss at 6.6

i wont even say i got them right or wrong, think its basically just random for me still

thats the most frustrating thing, im not bothered about the money or the losses as i see it as paying for training, and 6 months down the line i feel like i know so much more than i did at the start, but i clearly dont as nothing changes

c'est la vie

Experience is intellectual property so don't devalue it because it has value. Many investment banks value people with actual trading experience even if they lost because they have learned a lot of what not to do. You probably won't even notice the transformation from where you were at the outset to where you are now but the latest version of yourself will be vastly superior to where you began.
i do think i understand a bit more,
Just a little sign that i do would be nice :D , ive read before that you need to be involved in at least 10,000 markets before you can get a handle on it, a quick check shows ive only done just under 3,000, so some ways to go yet
Trader Pat
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You should be framing your trades on the traded range of the runner you're trading. And on what the prices of other runners in the market are doing.

Most serious traders don't use stop losses.
smallplayer
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Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:29 pm
Morbius wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:06 pm
Bubace wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:54 pm


No not even that Really, there was a little bit, but just a day of bad choices, as usual the ones that i seemed to get right are about the 1.5/1.8 price, the wrong ones between 5.0 and 7.0, and 5 ticks profit is not too much at 1.5, instead of 5 ticks loss at 6.6

i wont even say i got them right or wrong, think its basically just random for me still

thats the most frustrating thing, im not bothered about the money or the losses as i see it as paying for training, and 6 months down the line i feel like i know so much more than i did at the start, but i clearly dont as nothing changes

c'est la vie

Experience is intellectual property so don't devalue it because it has value. Many investment banks value people with actual trading experience even if they lost because they have learned a lot of what not to do. You probably won't even notice the transformation from where you were at the outset to where you are now but the latest version of yourself will be vastly superior to where you began.
i do think i understand a bit more,
Just a little sign that i do would be nice :D , ive read before that you need to be involved in at least 10,000 markets before you can get a handle on it, a quick check shows ive only done just under 3,000, so some ways to go yet
Hope you are in for the long haul Bubace. I am on 8.3k to date and I can tell you, its a slooowwww journey! :D
smallplayer
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:31 pm
You should be framing your trades on the traded range of the runner you're trading. And on what the prices of other runners in the market are doing.

Most serious traders don't use stop losses.
i believe you are completely correct Pat and some day, when I am good enough, I hope to be able to do away with my static 4 tick SL but until I am ready to trust myself completely, I need my exit in stone. I have only traded 8.3k races which is pretty much nothing I feel. :D
As Sb said earlier, it is those big reds that kill new traders.
Btw, I personally don't use the automated SL thingy, as those spikes trigger them too much..its more a "get out here" manual thing.
Trader Pat
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smallplayer wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:41 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:31 pm
You should be framing your trades on the traded range of the runner you're trading. And on what the prices of other runners in the market are doing.

Most serious traders don't use stop losses.
i believe you are completely correct Pat and some day, when I am good enough, I hope to be able to do away with my static 4 tick SL but until I am ready to trust myself completely, I need my exit in stone. I have only traded 8.3k races which is pretty much nothing I feel. :D
Problem with using stop losses is they can just add to your frustration. On days like today where there are lots of volatile markets there's a good chance that even when you're right, you'll get stopped out and then have to watch the price go where you thought it would go in the first place.
Korattt
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goat68 wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:35 pm
Yes, back, I wanted price to go lower!
wanted?, we all want the market to confirm how we want but that’s not how it works, that’s maybe part of where you may be going wrong on occasion?
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