Arteta is out of arsenal

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wabash
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Wenger and Henry have told him that Ozil cannot be on the bench and lose thee zero against Aston Villa at home.

If ozil was playing the fans would not go against him.

This is Arsenal, and there is no number ten?

This guy was given more money than any othe manager, Pepe is playing second team and he cost what?

Arteta will not last this year out
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Morbius
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wabash wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:00 pm
Wenger and Henry have told him that Ozil cannot be on the bench and lose thee zero against Aston Villa at home.

If ozil was playing the fans would not go against him.

This is Arsenal, and there is no number ten?

This guy was given more money than any othe manager, Pepe is playing second team and he cost what?

Arteta will not last this year out

By this year I take it you mean this season
wabash
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the season is already over,

plus ozil is not playing, but we do not have creativity.

The owners chose Arteta over Ancellotti, the owner has to sell ti someone else, he broke the best team ever, because he wanted to build a stadium.
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OP you can use this thread for various football talk.
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Morbius
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wabash wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:42 pm
the season is already over,

plus ozil is not playing, but we do not have creativity.

The owners chose Arteta over Ancellotti, the owner has to sell ti someone else, he broke the best team ever, because he wanted to build a stadium.

I am sort of half agreeing with you here and Arteta over Ancellotti does seem a strange one. Why a three times CL winner is at Everton is a mystery although many people believe that the day to day grind of top level management is a serious obstacle for anybody that has been in the game a long time when it comes to taking on a top club and despite your frustrations, Arsenal are a top club. However I am not a fan of giving any top job to an ex-player with no or little experience so Ollie, Lampard and Arteta don't sit well with me.

Yes they bring energy and a knowledge of the club and are fans favourites but expecting a manager to bring the level of success that these clubs demand is another matter. United and Chelsea have both had CL success in the past 10-12 years and they want that again and Arsenal aspire to be there and neither of these managers has operated anywhere near that level as a manager. The problem with Arsenal is now an accumulative one where prolonged absence of challenging for titles and CL's will deter the type of players that they need to compete for them from joining the club, United are in the same boat. This means that these managers will have to build something but the obstacles in their way are numerous.

For Arsenal to compete for the title then numerous things must happen and most are not Arteta's fault. He cannot alter the lack of major success since 2004 and most top players will want the potential to win something above money. This is why Ozil, Pogba, Sanchez etc are not top players. There is a difference between a player with world class potential and a world class player. Ozil has been a disgrace at Arsenal given his salary. But Arsenal won't sack Arteta yet in the same way United didn't with Ollie. They made an investment in his development as a manager and on top of that, he won the FA Cup last season.

Is Arteta the man to lead Arsenal to a title?? I very much doubt it without massive spending and even then, he is still a manager cutting his teeth. If Wenger and Emery couldn't get anywhere near then what price a trainee?? No first time manager should get the Arsenal job IMO. It's just too big. I will be surprised if Arsenal will be anything other than inconsistent this season but its been that way for years. But its getting very difficult to compete in the PL without massive spending akin to F1. One big problem I have with Arsenal is their ticket pricing but then again its bad all over in the PL when compared to say Germany. But Arsenal are a great club, four cups in 8 years and a Europa League final isn't bad but the fans are paying too much IMO but then again how much can that be a shock given that our top clubs have foreign owners and no emotional connection with the club and PPV has just highlighted what they care about most.

As for the 3-0 score vs Villa, yes it was a bad result but we must remember that "home" games during Covid are barely home games at all given how important it is to have vocal home fans. Research was done years ago as to how important that is. Arsenal made a decision many years ago to become a very successful money making business and not to enter into this crazy race of spending silly money to win major honours and you can't blame them for that but you can blame them for what they charge their fans.
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Morbius
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As for Ozil, he stopped being a world class player in 2013 when Real Madrid let him go, that was the writing on the wall for Ozil. Real don't let their top players join Arsenal...period! He was surplus to requirements In Madrid and that to me can only mean one thing....not deemed good enough and his inconsistency since has just underlined it. He must think all his birthdays have come at once being on 350k week. There are numerous players who have been totally corrupted by money and they prove it consistently with their performances and fans still find excuses for them year after year.
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