Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[firlandsfarm]

The trust isn't the problem, it's the person doing the trusting (you ). You trusted BJ to handle the crisis, I wouldn't trust him to do up his shoelaces. Organising medical staff around the country to cope with a crisis is a massive operation and I would just trust the NHS to make the best of a difficult job. Us traders often back a horse, decide it's a mistake and lay it for a loss - yet we're still successful overall. I see no difference in scientists making decisions and then changing their mind, not that I recall any government scientist saying masks are ineffective and changing their mind.

PM's don't handle crises they just decide who is to handle them!

[TraderFred]

Looking forward to today’s Downing Street briefing.

It will be Boris Johnson flanked by medical experts alexmr42 and jamesg46. Don’t forget to take your graphs about Sweden with you, Alex.

I find it amazing how everybody has access to the same information, yet they manage to come to such wildly different conclusions. People give weight to the theories and information that support their own beliefs, whilst completely ignoring everything that doesn’t.

I think I finally understand what Peter means when he talks about understanding the psychology of the other marker participants as being an edge.

[jamesg46]

The trust isn't the problem, it's the person doing the trusting (you ). You trusted BJ to handle the crisis, I wouldn't trust him to do up his shoelaces. Organising medical staff around the country to cope with a crisis is a massive operation and I would just trust the NHS to make the best of a difficult job. Us traders often back a horse, decide it's a mistake and lay it for a loss - yet we're still successful overall. I see no difference in scientists making decisions and then changing their mind, not that I recall any government scientist saying masks are ineffective and changing their mind.

PM's don't handle crises they just decide who is to handle them!

If you trade using servants do you manage your servants and take responsibility for your p&l or do you blame the servants. I bet the pm would blame his servants but in reality he commissioned them and is ultimately responsible. Apparently he's our leader... well I'll lead my own destiny, I don’t care to be part of a political tug of war & I'll be entirely selfish in my decisions, we live in a world full of self-righteous individuals who couldn't care less about my opinions, wealth or health... conflicting interests for self serving gain. The few good, kind & honest people are few and far between, most people say one thing to a camera while spending their personal life hiding their sins from that same thing. Us minions are nothing more than sheaple or in this case, lambs to the slaughter house... that is of course if its open.

[Derek27]

The trust isn't the problem, it's the person doing the trusting (you ). You trusted BJ to handle the crisis, I wouldn't trust him to do up his shoelaces. Organising medical staff around the country to cope with a crisis is a massive operation and I would just trust the NHS to make the best of a difficult job. Us traders often back a horse, decide it's a mistake and lay it for a loss - yet we're still successful overall. I see no difference in scientists making decisions and then changing their mind, not that I recall any government scientist saying masks are ineffective and changing their mind.

PM's don't handle crises they just decide who is to handle them!

If you trade using servants do you manage your servants and take responsibility for your p&l or do you blame the servants. I bet the pm would blame his servants but in reality he commissioned them and is ultimately responsible. Apparently he's our leader... well I'll lead my own destiny, I don’t care to be part of a political tug of war & I'll be entirely selfish in my decisions, we live in a world full of self-righteous individuals who couldn't care less about my opinions, wealth or health... conflicting interests for self serving gain. The few good, kind & honest people are few and far between, most people say one thing to a camera while spending their personal life hiding their sins from that same thing.

+1, that's pretty much what I was going to say. Deciding who's to handle a problem is handling it.

Us minions are nothing more than sheaple or in this case, lambs to the slaughter house... that is of course if its open.

I hate terms like 'ordinary people', especially when politicians claim they stand for the ordinary person. I'd rather vote for a politician that stands for me.

[Derek27]

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

I heard on the Sky press review last night that the Nightingale had been dismantled, but this report says it was just the removal of some equipment to be used elsewhere. I hope that's the case as they certainly will need it.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-12 ... -equipment

[jamesg46]

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

I heard on the Sky press review last night that the Nightingale had been dismantled, but this report says it was just the removal of some equipment to be used elsewhere. I hope that's the case as they certainly will need it.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-12 ... -equipment

Was just about to post about it... unbelievable if its true.

https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/ ... 59936?s=19

[jamesg46]

How much money has been wasted... billions on track & trace & millions on these hospitals, it really is disgusting. Tax payers will suffer as per.

[Derek27]

How much money has been wasted... billions on track & trace & millions on these hospitals, it really is disgusting. Tax payers will suffer as per.

I'm not one to defend the present regime as you know, but spending millions on a technological project at a time of crisis that fails is no different to a trader investing 100 hours on a strategy that proves to be unsuccessful. The money spent on the Nightingale hasn't been wasted if the hospital is still there. After all, unless it's required it's pointless filling it with vital equipment that can be used elsewhere.

As I said yesterday, organising resources is a complex challenge and we don't know what and where the demand for resources is. BJ talks through his arse and changes his mind by the day but I'm hopeful the real decision making is done by people who know what they're doing.

[Derek27]

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

I heard on the Sky press review last night that the Nightingale had been dismantled, but this report says it was just the removal of some equipment to be used elsewhere. I hope that's the case as they certainly will need it.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-12 ... -equipment

Was just about to post about it... unbelievable if its true.

https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/ ... 59936?s=19

I would rather trust ITV than that guy I've never heard of. Sounds like that dim lady that didn't realise a hospital ward needs staff to care for covid patients.

[jamesg46]

How much money has been wasted... billions on track & trace & millions on these hospitals, it really is disgusting. Tax payers will suffer as per.

I'm not one to defend the present regime as you know, but spending millions on a technological project at a time of crisis that fails is no different to a trader investing 100 hours on a strategy that proves to be unsuccessful. The money spent on the Nightingale hasn't been wasted if the hospital is still there. After all, unless it's required it's pointless filling it with vital equipment that can be used elsewhere.

As I said yesterday, organising resources is a complex challenge and we don't know what and where the demand for resources is. BJ talks through his arse and changes his mind by the day but I'm hopeful the real decision making is done by people who know what they're doing.

The problem i have with the wasted money on track and trace is that the technology already exists and is being used successfully in other countries, I believe South Korea have a successful system in place so why did we need to waste that money trying to reinvent the wheel.

London is the worst area in the UK for Covid so they decide to close the nightingale, conveniently we then start to see on sky news that paramedics are treating people in the back of ambulances because there is no hospital beds. I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks, something somewhere doesn't add up with the hospital situation, either the media are lying or the Goverment & those that make the decisions got it wrong.... again.

As for the track and trace ramble, it was probably a case of contracts for buddies.

[jamesg46]

I heard on the Sky press review last night that the Nightingale had been dismantled, but this report says it was just the removal of some equipment to be used elsewhere. I hope that's the case as they certainly will need it.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2020-12 ... -equipment

Was just about to post about it... unbelievable if its true.

https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/ ... 59936?s=19

I would rather trust ITV than that guy I've never heard of. Sounds like that dim lady that didn't realise a hospital ward needs staff to care for covid patients.

I dont know who he is, I just found the story from a thread but like you say sky are reporting it too.

There were thousands of volunteers, retired professionals that could run these hospitals. Did the government shunt them just like they did with the students that the government pulled forward at the beginning of the crisis.

[Derek27]

I dont know who he is, I just found the story from a thread but like you say sky are reporting it too.

There were thousands of volunteers, retired professionals that could run these hospitals. Did the government shunt them just like they did with the students that the government pulled forward at the beginning of the crisis.

Sky didn't report it, it was one of the press reviewers who could be wrong.

London is the worst area in the UK for Covid so they decide to close the nightingale, conveniently we then start to see on sky news that paramedics are treating people in the back of ambulances because there is no hospital beds. I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks, something somewhere doesn't add up with the hospital situation, either the media are lying or the Goverment & those that make the decisions got it wrong.... again.

Fair point, it was wrong and stupid of me to defend the Government. I should have known that they are beyond defending.

However good our NHS staff and the civil servants running the services are, as infections and deaths were on an upward curve, the tit in charge of the country decided to have five days of virus spreading, before later changing his mind (according to Handcock) due to circumstances they couldn't see even though the rest of the country could! I suspect NHS workers were screaming at their TV sets at the five-day announcement.

[jamesg46]

I dont know who he is, I just found the story from a thread but like you say sky are reporting it too.

There were thousands of volunteers, retired professionals that could run these hospitals. Did the government shunt them just like they did with the students that the government pulled forward at the beginning of the crisis.

Sky didn't report it, it was one of the press reviewers who could be wrong.

London is the worst area in the UK for Covid so they decide to close the nightingale, conveniently we then start to see on sky news that paramedics are treating people in the back of ambulances because there is no hospital beds. I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks, something somewhere doesn't add up with the hospital situation, either the media are lying or the Goverment & those that make the decisions got it wrong.... again.

Fair point, it was wrong and stupid of me to defend the Government. I should have known that they are beyond defending.

However good our NHS staff and the civil servants running the services are, as infections and deaths were on an upward curve, the tit in charge of the country decided to have five days of virus spreading, before later changing his mind (according to Handcock) due to circumstances they couldn't see even though the rest of the country could! I suspect NHS workers were screaming at their TV sets at the five-day announcement.

They're probably numb to it. After all they had to go through the whole "eat out to help out" event & all the other hokey cokey ins and outs we've had. The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it's destroying lives in numerous ways.

[Derek27]

They're probably numb to it. After all they had to go through the whole "eat out to help out" event & all the other hokey cokey ins and outs we've had. The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it's destroying lives in numerous ways.

I enjoyed my curries, Wetherspoon meals and regular McDonald's double quarterpounders but I wonder now how many lives it cost.

[jamesg46]

They're probably numb to it. After all they had to go through the whole "eat out to help out" event & all the other hokey cokey ins and outs we've had. The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it's destroying lives in numerous ways.

I enjoyed my curries, Wetherspoon meals and regular McDonald's double quarterpounders but I wonder now how many lives it cost.

I wouldn't spend too much time dwelling, you're a long way off Boris and boys when it comes to lives cost.