Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[alexmr2]

Have you thought about producing some charts or doing research to prove that smoking 40 cigarettes a day or being severely obese doesn't reduce your life expectancy?

Your stats are far too basic. You need a breakdown of what people died of to work out the deaths caused by Covid-19.

Since the tests are inaccurate and many flu deaths have been replaced by Covid, I don't think it's very reliable to look at Covid deaths. I think that looking at total deaths makes much more sense, like looking at total money being bet on a horse not how much each person is betting/what device they are using etc.

If you want a cigarette consumption vs life expectancy chart you could always do what the mainstream media does, plot a big chart over many years then look for a down retracement and zoom in on it, remember the hide all the rest of the graph just like the BBC does with death totals over the last decades so that people have nothing to compare it to

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I would say there's some noise because the market doesn't move in a straight line. Spikes are to be expected every now and then but it always returns to the moving average in the long-term. if this was a trade I'm sure no one would get stopped out by 2020.

If BSP is efficient to within a couple of % in the long-term, then a couple of percent more than average result one year isn't that outlandish right? If locking down is logical then most countries should have locked down around 33% of the last 3 decades going by the figures.

I imagine all other countries are similar regardless of whether there were restrictions or not, there seems to be a lot of scientific papers which show a weak correlation between restrictions and deaths that the mainstream media refuse to acknowledge exists or discuss.

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Can you substantiate that comment. "weak correlation between restrictions and deaths". You are out of your mind. Look at the graphs across the UK and the world.
The only thing different in the uk now compared to March is that Covid is taking people that would have died anyway (statistically, at least).
But isn't that what health workers flagged early on. The winter surge, plus covid was a big risk, thats why they asked us to behave responsibly. Whingeing about the efficacy of restrictions or the inconvenience that they imposes really cheeses me off. Just do the right thing! It isn't 'the new normal'. It will be over sometime soon. Not adhering to the advice is going to extend the inconvience and cost lives.
Think about that before you breach the advice.

[alexmr2]

Can you substantiate that comment. "weak correlation between restrictions and deaths". You are out of your mind. Look at the graphs across the UK and the world.
The only thing different in the uk now compared to March is that Covid is taking people that would have died anyway (statistically, at least).
But isn't that what health workers flagged early on. The winter surge, plus covid was a big risk, thats why they asked us to behave responsibly. Whingeing about the efficacy of restrictions or the inconvenience that they imposes really cheeses me off. Just do the right thing! It isn't 'the new normal'. It will be over sometime soon. Not adhering to the advice is going to extend the inconvience and cost lives.
Think about that before you breach the advice.

Lots of things about this whole thing seem off which makes me very sceptical. I just like to question the logic and wonder why the mainstream refuses to discuss 40+ scientific papers which show a weak correlation between restrictions and total deaths. I don't really know what I can say on that other than many scientists have done the research and shown the results, but no one has proved that they do work so weighing up both sides leaves me with the first opinion.

If there really was a risk of overwhelming the NHS then why were Nightingale hospitals closed? You do know that the same flu scare "NHS set to be overwhelmed" article has been in the media every year for at least the last 8 years. There has also been clear manipulation in making it look like there's less hospital beds than previous years. There's also the fact many staff are forced to self-isolate because of a positive test result or being close to someone who had it, even if they aren't neccesarily ill which is a paradox of it's own. This week of the year is always one with the highest deaths, I believe 2100+ per day is the average in the UK but the mainstream is only showing Covid deaths with no context and hiding everything else + previous years.

"Following the rules" I believe is Government behavioural psychologist social disapproval tactic 101 to divide and conquer. In reality I don't believe the external environment can be controlled the same way you can't force the BF market to do what you want. There's no point blaming individuals for not standing on the special dot in the Sainsburys queue as if doing that would have made a difference. Viruses are a part of life and our immune systems rely on them to survive much the same way bacteria is part of life and is needed to break things down. You only have to look at the Native American tribes to see what happens to those who shield for too long. Why not shield the 1% and let the 99% carry on?

The saving lives narrative isn't really logical when you realise the many knockon effects of restrictions. I think most people are simply thinking with emotions more than logic

[Derek27]

Have you thought about producing some charts or doing research to prove that smoking 40 cigarettes a day or being severely obese doesn't reduce your life expectancy?

Your stats are far too basic. You need a breakdown of what people died of to work out the deaths caused by Covid-19.

Since the tests are inaccurate and many flu deaths have been replaced by Covid, I don't think it's very reliable to look at Covid deaths. I think that looking at total deaths makes much more sense, like looking at total money being bet on a horse not how much each person is betting/what device they are using etc.

If you want a cigarette consumption vs life expectancy chart you could always do what the mainstream media does, plot a big chart over many years then look for a down retracement and zoom in on it, remember the hide all the rest of the graph just like the BBC does with death totals over the last decades so that people have nothing to compare it to

When you watch mainstream media you're seeing what you want to see or imagining what you're seeing.

[Derek27]

Can you substantiate that comment. "weak correlation between restrictions and deaths". You are out of your mind. Look at the graphs across the UK and the world.
The only thing different in the uk now compared to March is that Covid is taking people that would have died anyway (statistically, at least).
But isn't that what health workers flagged early on. The winter surge, plus covid was a big risk, thats why they asked us to behave responsibly. Whingeing about the efficacy of restrictions or the inconvenience that they imposes really cheeses me off. Just do the right thing! It isn't 'the new normal'. It will be over sometime soon. Not adhering to the advice is going to extend the inconvience and cost lives.
Think about that before you breach the advice.

Lots of things about this whole thing seem off which makes me very sceptical. I just like to question the logic and wonder why the mainstream refuses to discuss 40+ scientific papers which show a weak correlation between restrictions and total deaths. I don't really know what I can say on that other than many scientists have done the research and shown the results, but no one has proved that they do work so weighing up both sides leaves me with the first opinion.

If there really was a risk of overwhelming the NHS then why were Nightingale hospitals closed? You do know that the same flu scare "NHS set to be overwhelmed" article has been in the media every year for at least the last 8 years. There has also been clear manipulation in making it look like there's less hospital beds than previous years. There's also the fact many staff are forced to self-isolate because of a positive test result or being close to someone who had it, even if they aren't neccesarily ill which is a paradox of it's own. This week of the year is always one with the highest deaths, I believe 2100+ per day is the average in the UK but the mainstream is only showing Covid deaths with no context and hiding everything else + previous years.

"Following the rules" I believe is Government behavioural psychologist social disapproval tactic 101 to divide and conquer. In reality I don't believe the external environment can be controlled the same way you can't force the BF market to do what you want. There's no point blaming individuals for not standing on the special dot in the Sainsburys queue as if doing that would have made a difference. Viruses are a part of life and our immune systems rely on them to survive much the same way bacteria is part of life and is needed to break things down. You only have to look at the Native American tribes to see what happens to those who shield for too long. Why not shield the 1% and let the 99% carry on?

The saving lives narrative isn't really logical when you realise the many knockon effects of restrictions. I think most people are simply thinking with emotions more than logic

FFS, there's not a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed - it IS being overwhelmed! Whatever the reason for the Nightingale being closed doesn't change that. Just be honest and say you don't know the reasons why it was closed, and not knowing doesn't entitle you to speculate.

[Derek27]

Lots of things about this whole thing seem off which makes me very sceptical. I just like to question the logic and wonder why the mainstream refuses to discuss 40+ scientific papers which show a weak correlation between restrictions and total deaths.

Simple, they don't have time to discuss 40+ scientific papers in a half-hour program.

There's also the fact many staff are forced to self-isolate because of a positive test result or being close to someone who had it, even if they aren't neccesarily ill which is a paradox of it's own.

Anyone with half a brain would understand why that's necessary.

There's no point blaming individuals for not standing on the special dot in the Sainsburys queue as if doing that would have made a difference.

You're not required to stand on the dots. They're just guides to tell you how far to space yourself out.

Viruses are a part of life and our immune systems rely on them to survive much the same way bacteria is part of life and is needed to break things down. You only have to look at the Native American tribes to see what happens to those who shield for too long. Why not shield the 1% and let the 99% carry on?

So, if the black death or ebola was circulating the UK you'd ignore it and say it's part of life?

[Euler]

Well it feels like it's knocking in my door right now. A couple of weeks ago I commented that I knew quite a few people one step removed that were suffering from it.

Now two co-workers of my wife are having a really hard time, my secretary is self-isolating and I've been in dialogue with a Bet Angel user whose Mum died last week from it. It feels very real over here at the moment.

[Realrocknrolla]

Well it feels like it's knocking in my door right now. A couple of weeks ago I commented that I knew quite a few people one step removed that were suffering from it.

Now two co-workers of my wife are having a really hard time, my secretary is self-isolating and I've been in dialogue with a Bet Angel user whose Mum died last week from it. It feels very real over here at the moment.

Fingers crossed for them all bud! Stay safe!

[ruthlessimon]

It feels very real over here at the moment.

Stay safe!

[Derek27]

I've decided to self-isolate now that GF told me that someone who sat in her car a week ago tested positive. Wish she'd take it more seriously, I'll be amazed if I don't get it sometime - really living life in the fast lane now.

[Derek27]

Just had a chat with a neighbour while I was standing outside smoking. I told him not to get too close as I'm isolating but two minutes later he forgot and was just one metre away. No wonder the virus spreads so easily, I'm pretty sure it could be contained if everybody did their bit!

It's now okay to walk or cycle 7 miles, but why 7 miles? Nick Handjob specifically said 7 miles implying that's the limit - because BJ only needs to cycle 7 miles!

[rik]

Just had a chat with a neighbour while I was standing outside smoking. I told him not to get too close as I'm isolating but two minutes later he forgot and was just one metre away. No wonder the virus spreads so easily, I'm pretty sure it could be contained if everybody did their bit!

It's now okay to walk or cycle 7 miles, but why 7 miles? Nick Handjob specifically said 7 miles implying that's the limit - because BJ only needs to cycle 7 miles!

if your going to limit you need to put some number?

[Derek27]

Just had a chat with a neighbour while I was standing outside smoking. I told him not to get too close as I'm isolating but two minutes later he forgot and was just one metre away. No wonder the virus spreads so easily, I'm pretty sure it could be contained if everybody did their bit!

It's now okay to walk or cycle 7 miles, but why 7 miles? Nick Handjob specifically said 7 miles implying that's the limit - because BJ only needs to cycle 7 miles!

if your going to limit you need to put some number?

He wasn't clear whether it was a limit or example. But the point I was making was, if BJ cycled 15 miles the limit (if it was one) would be 15 miles. Basically that dickhead can do what he wants and Handjob will then give us permission to do the same to avoid claims of hypocrisy.

[Derek27]

Those two women who drove 5 miles to a beauty spot have had their fines cancelled following a review, and received an apology from the police. You would think two attractive women like them could sweet-talk their way out of a fine in the first place.

It would be helpful if Nick Handjob could clarify how far you can walk, run, cycle, scooter, skateboard and drive!

[alexmr2]

I'm pretty sure it could be contained if everybody did their bit!

I'm pretty sure I could have 100% strike rate if everyone did their bit and pushed the market the way I want it to go and left some liquidity for my exit