Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

I suppose everyone is going to have their own beliefs and are entitled to believe whatever or whoever they like. It’s not like trading where you get to find out what your opinions are worth. So people can spout whatever they like and no one will ever be able to prove for or against.

Jamesg46 litters this forum with links to conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims from dodgy sources. Usually with the caveat that he hopes it’s not true, or there may be another explanation, or he doesn’t believe it, but finds it interesting.

Why post it? You did it all over the US election thread, and now all over this one. If you don’t believe it, don’t post it. No idea how successful you are or are not at trading, though when you post on the horse racing thread you come across as completely clueless and almost always missing the point to me. Maybe I’m wrong though, maybe you’re also a really good trader as well as contrarian thinker and virologist.

I don’t know what to make of Alexmr2. I find it impossible to differentiate between satire, trolling, being on a wind up, or actually having those beliefs. Not sure if he is for real or not. Though if I was him, I’d be worrying more about the state of my betfair account than whether or not the bbc are spreading fake news about a fake pandemic and inflating the number of excess deaths.

100% useless is the answer, I just show up each day to make an effort to waste time.... there is nothing better to be doing these days. I'm sorry you have an issue with what I post, I'll do my best to clean up my act & conform to a required standard... please feel free to lay out the rules for me.

[Trader Pat]

It seems as though critical thinking and intellectucal debate is always instantly dismissed as conspiracy theory for anything which was not said on the news, even if said by lots of real scientists

Alex you should go on Youtube and watch 'Loose Change 2', a documentary about 9/11 which tries to make the case that 9/11 was a giant conspiracy orchestrated by the US government. Reason I recommend it is not because I believe it but because there are plenty of real scientists on the film that believe it and who try to make the case for it from a scientific point of view. It's proof that scientists are just as fallible as everybody else and just as likely as everyone else to put their beliefs first and then try to find and interpret information to back up those beliefs.

Confirmation bias is what I find most fascinating about this whole forum, whether we're discussing politics, Covid or just trading. It's everywhere and the most interesting part of it to me is those who are doing it have no idea they're doing it but its plainly obvious to people who can take an objective stance.

"staying at home saves lives" - 40+ scientific papers showing weak correlation between death rates and restrictions

This is a classic case of confirmation bias, I don't know if its true or not but I'm sure there are 10 maybe a 100 times more papers that say the opposite.

[Trader Pat]

I suppose everyone is going to have their own beliefs and are entitled to believe whatever or whoever they like. It’s not like trading where you get to find out what your opinions are worth. So people can spout whatever they like and no one will ever be able to prove for or against.

Jamesg46 litters this forum with links to conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims from dodgy sources. Usually with the caveat that he hopes it’s not true, or there may be another explanation, or he doesn’t believe it, but finds it interesting.

Why post it? You did it all over the US election thread, and now all over this one. If you don’t believe it, don’t post it. No idea how successful you are or are not at trading, though when you post on the horse racing thread you come across as completely clueless and almost always missing the point to me. Maybe I’m wrong though, maybe you’re also a really good trader as well as contrarian thinker and virologist.

I don’t know what to make of Alexmr2. I find it impossible to differentiate between satire, trolling, being on a wind up, or actually having those beliefs. Not sure if he is for real or not. Though if I was him, I’d be worrying more about the state of my betfair account than whether or not the bbc are spreading fake news about a fake pandemic and inflating the number of excess deaths.

100% useless is the answer, I just show up each day to make an effort to waste time.... there is nothing better to be doing these days. I'm sorry you have an issue with what I post, I'll do my best to clean up my act & conform to a required standard... please feel free to lay out the rules for me.

To be fair he does have you bang to rights in paragraph 2.

But don't you go changing for anybody James

[jamesg46]

Funny that two days in a row I've been attacked on an unrelated topic to what I've posted. spreadbetting had to make something up that I never said & then proceeded to attack my understanding of betting statistics (I dont bet) some other made up image in his head & today Fred over my trading capabilities, right after saying to him that the way people usually respond to scepticism is with an attack on character It's like you couldn't make it up or write it.... oh wait.

[jamesg46]

I suppose everyone is going to have their own beliefs and are entitled to believe whatever or whoever they like. It’s not like trading where you get to find out what your opinions are worth. So people can spout whatever they like and no one will ever be able to prove for or against.

Jamesg46 litters this forum with links to conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims from dodgy sources. Usually with the caveat that he hopes it’s not true, or there may be another explanation, or he doesn’t believe it, but finds it interesting.

Why post it? You did it all over the US election thread, and now all over this one. If you don’t believe it, don’t post it. No idea how successful you are or are not at trading, though when you post on the horse racing thread you come across as completely clueless and almost always missing the point to me. Maybe I’m wrong though, maybe you’re also a really good trader as well as contrarian thinker and virologist.

I don’t know what to make of Alexmr2. I find it impossible to differentiate between satire, trolling, being on a wind up, or actually having those beliefs. Not sure if he is for real or not. Though if I was him, I’d be worrying more about the state of my betfair account than whether or not the bbc are spreading fake news about a fake pandemic and inflating the number of excess deaths.

100% useless is the answer, I just show up each day to make an effort to waste time.... there is nothing better to be doing these days. I'm sorry you have an issue with what I post, I'll do my best to clean up my act & conform to a required standard... please feel free to lay out the rules for me.

To be fair he does have you bang to rights in paragraph 2.

But don't you go changing for anybody James

I've not hidden that conspiracy theories fascinate me & im also not bothered by people calling me a conspiracy theorist. It's more fascinating to me that it really does bother people when others post them, which probably drives me to do it all the more. It does 2 things, its pulls 2 sets of people out of the woodwork, those that believe it and those that fight it, either way it creates one hell of an interesting debate imo... so the answer to why I post them is because I love the response to it, not the direct response, the overall response... look at the election thread, it pulled out a few unknowns and some lengthy discussions that provided an oversight into peoples minds on both sides of the conversation. I'm sorry but I hate test tube conversations with generic unconscious questions... I enjoy stirring the pot a little.

I actually think I said to you in that thread, that I wanted to see, hear everyone's thoughts, particularly those that were participating in the market... that's what the market is, its an opinion driven machine and I want to see those opinions. I don't proceed to shout at the back column on my ladders if I think something is lay value though or try to fight it, I just embrace it all.

[Trader Pat]

100% useless is the answer, I just show up each day to make an effort to waste time.... there is nothing better to be doing these days. I'm sorry you have an issue with what I post, I'll do my best to clean up my act & conform to a required standard... please feel free to lay out the rules for me.

To be fair he does have you bang to rights in paragraph 2.

But don't you go changing for anybody James

I've not hidden that conspiracy theories fascinate me & im also not bothered by people calling me a conspiracy theorist. It's more fascinating to me that it really does bother people when others post them, which probably drives me to do it all the more. It does 2 things, its pulls 2 sets of people out of the woodwork, those that believe it and those that fight it, either way it creates one hell of an interesting debate imo... so the answer to why I post them is because I love the response to it, not the direct response, the overall response... look at the election thread, it pulled out a few unknowns and some lengthy discussions that provided an oversight into peoples minds on both sides of the conversation. I'm sorry but I hate test tube conversations with generic unconscious questions... I enjoy stirring the pot a little.

Its all good starting a conversation but you've got to own your beliefs. You can't say you're playing devils advocate while at the same time believing in the conspiracy theories that you post about. You can't have it both ways.

[Realrocknrolla]

Loose Change 2', a documentary about 9/11 which tries to make the case that 9/11 was a giant conspiracy orchestrated by the US government.

Loved it!!!

Loved all the versions!

The pentagon plane crash had my mind twisted!!!!

[Trader Pat]

Loose Change 2', a documentary about 9/11 which tries to make the case that 9/11 was a giant conspiracy orchestrated by the US government.

Loved it!!!

Loved all the versions!

The pentagon plane crash had my mind twisted!!!!

Same here!

I found it absolutely fascinating and I can see how some people could get sucked into believing it.

Was very slick and well made.

[Realrocknrolla]

A million percent Pat.

The Pentagon crash will always baffle me!

[jamesg46]

To be fair he does have you bang to rights in paragraph 2.

But don't you go changing for anybody James

I've not hidden that conspiracy theories fascinate me & im also not bothered by people calling me a conspiracy theorist. It's more fascinating to me that it really does bother people when others post them, which probably drives me to do it all the more. It does 2 things, its pulls 2 sets of people out of the woodwork, those that believe it and those that fight it, either way it creates one hell of an interesting debate imo... so the answer to why I post them is because I love the response to it, not the direct response, the overall response... look at the election thread, it pulled out a few unknowns and some lengthy discussions that provided an oversight into peoples minds on both sides of the conversation. I'm sorry but I hate test tube conversations with generic unconscious questions... I enjoy stirring the pot a little.

Its all good starting a conversation but you've got to own your beliefs. You can't say you're playing devils advocate while at the same time believing in the conspiracy theories that you post about. You can't have it both ways.

Who says i believe it? I've spent many sentences telling you the exact opposite. What we have to do it differentiate between scepticism and conspiracy theory. Like this thread, I've not said that the virus isn't real, I've just been sceptical of the rules, such as masks... which the scientists were in the beginning. Or how people are using those masks, like the taking them off without clean hands conversation. That's not a conspiracy, that's scepticism. The article I posted the other day and got attacked for wasn't me insinuating that the ladys death was because of the jab, it was the article that was doing that, I merely posted it with, I hope its not because of... but I knew it would trigger something more.

There probably is some things that I post that I genuinely believe which others mark down as conspiracy too but again it creates a conversation where others put me right.

The thing is any unknown is theory, its only after the fact of posting and debating that a conclusion of conspiracy, wrong or right in an individuals mind can be made... one person's knowledge isn't necessarily another person's current knowledge. So out of interest im open to theory but I'm also open to being wrong.

[jimibt]

well, all i can say is that if I'm in need of a good conspiracy, i head here or to the POTUS thread. for entertainment value, i say *keep em coming*. it's one of those cases where you can be both laughing WITH and AT the poster at the same time

[alexmr2]

"staying at home saves lives" - 40+ scientific papers showing weak correlation between death rates and restrictions

This is a classic case of confirmation bias, I don't know if its true or not but I'm sure there are 10 maybe a 100 times more papers that say the opposite.

This response just blows my mind, there are 40+ scientific papers showing the efficacy between restrictions and death rates with the conclusion that there is a very weak correlation

https://thefatemperor.com/published-pap ... uge-harms/

But because you randomly plucked an opinion out of nowhere that there are apparently more papers out there that exist showing the opposite (there isn't), you are the one that's more likely to be right and I'm the one with confirmation bias?

[Naffman]

I've not hidden that conspiracy theories fascinate me & im also not bothered by people calling me a conspiracy theorist. It's more fascinating to me that it really does bother people when others post them, which probably drives me to do it all the more. It does 2 things, its pulls 2 sets of people out of the woodwork, those that believe it and those that fight it, either way it creates one hell of an interesting debate imo... so the answer to why I post them is because I love the response to it, not the direct response, the overall response... look at the election thread, it pulled out a few unknowns and some lengthy discussions that provided an oversight into peoples minds on both sides of the conversation. I'm sorry but I hate test tube conversations with generic unconscious questions... I enjoy stirring the pot a little.

Its all good starting a conversation but you've got to own your beliefs. You can't say you're playing devils advocate while at the same time believing in the conspiracy theories that you post about. You can't have it both ways.

Who says i believe it? I've spent many sentences telling you the exact opposite. What we have to do it differentiate between scepticism and conspiracy theory. Like this thread, I've not said that the virus isn't real, I've just been sceptical of the rules, such as masks... which the scientists were in the beginning. Or how people are using those masks, like the taking them off without clean hands conversation. That's not a conspiracy, that's scepticism. The article I posted the other day and got attacked for wasn't me insinuating that the ladys death was because of the jab, it was the article that was doing that, I merely posted it with, I hope its not because of... but I knew it would trigger something more.

There probably is some things that I post that I genuinely believe which others mark down as conspiracy too but again it creates a conversation where others put me right.

The thing is any unknown is theory, its only after the fact of posting and debating that a conclusion of conspiracy, wrong or right in an individuals mind can be made... one person's knowledge isn't necessarily another person's current knowledge. So out of interest im open to theory but I'm also open to being wrong.

If you don't question things doesn't that just make you naive and gullible...and don't worry about spreadbetting he's still wondering what time his PC is going to get taken

[jamesg46]

Its all good starting a conversation but you've got to own your beliefs. You can't say you're playing devils advocate while at the same time believing in the conspiracy theories that you post about. You can't have it both ways.

Who says i believe it? I've spent many sentences telling you the exact opposite. What we have to do it differentiate between scepticism and conspiracy theory. Like this thread, I've not said that the virus isn't real, I've just been sceptical of the rules, such as masks... which the scientists were in the beginning. Or how people are using those masks, like the taking them off without clean hands conversation. That's not a conspiracy, that's scepticism. The article I posted the other day and got attacked for wasn't me insinuating that the ladys death was because of the jab, it was the article that was doing that, I merely posted it with, I hope its not because of... but I knew it would trigger something more.

There probably is some things that I post that I genuinely believe which others mark down as conspiracy too but again it creates a conversation where others put me right.

The thing is any unknown is theory, its only after the fact of posting and debating that a conclusion of conspiracy, wrong or right in an individuals mind can be made... one person's knowledge isn't necessarily another person's current knowledge. So out of interest im open to theory but I'm also open to being wrong.

If you don't question things doesn't that just make you naive and gullible...and don't worry about spreadbetting he's still wondering what time his PC is going to get taken

Absolutely! Most people are reasonable with their response but boy some go full on chimp mode. spreadbetting is the least of my worries, I just found his response to me over his own imagination interesting.

[jimibt]

"staying at home saves lives" - 40+ scientific papers showing weak correlation between death rates and restrictions

This is a classic case of confirmation bias, I don't know if its true or not but I'm sure there are 10 maybe a 100 times more papers that say the opposite.

This response just blows my mind, there are 40+ scientific papers showing the efficacy between restrictions and death rates with the conclusion that there is a very weak correlation

https://thefatemperor.com/published-pap ... uge-harms/

But because you randomly plucked an opinion out of nowhere that there are apparently more papers out there that exist showing the opposite (there isn't), you are the one that's more likely to be right and I'm the one with confirmation bias?

i think you'll find that ivor is a bit of a conspiracy peddler.. picked a random example but plenty more abound re his right wing brand and messiah complex

https://deepscratch.net/2020/12/07/the- ... s-no-mask/