Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

Personally, I don't understand why this is even an idea or why people think it's a good idea.

I should point out that I don't believe the vaccine is some sort of micro chipping control whatever... but what happend to me being able to choose? I don't even like taking paracetamol for an headache & yes I get that the virus is more serious than an headache but why does anyone who has been vaccinated care about someone who hasn't, or who chooses not to? It's not like they're at risk, right? They've been vaccinated & from what I gather most of the population are foaming at the mouth in long queues to get the vaccine.

I've been fortunate in health & from vague memory it's been about 15 years since I've seen a Dr, I'm very much an advocate for the natural immune system & only if I feel it's life or death will I seek help from a professional, not because I dislike Dr's but because I respect their time & judging by some things I've heard about getting appointments, most people don't.

I had to chuckle last year when the campaign started to stop the nations addiction to antibiotics because they were basically useless against the bodies tolerance.

Lastly for a bit of a rant, what is it with people who think a pill can fix everything? I mean come on, weight loss pills. FML try some gentle exercise & 4 less takeaways a week, they'll save pounds in every direction.

My irritation anyway is, why can't others just let people be... why is there a need impose on others. Pumping drugs into someone being made mandatory should be a scary concept in anyone's book, it's a slippery slope imo...

[Emmson]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

[jimibt]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

i've heard that bognor regis is even worse than middlesbrough - tho' might just be us northerners spreading rumours mind you

[Trader Pat]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

You can't get one in your local area?

[Emmson]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

You can't get one in your local area?

Not yet apparently too many ahead of me in queue

[Trader Pat]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

You can't get one in your local area?

Not yet apparently too many ahead of me in queue

Hopefully you won't be waiting too long. It's good though that people are at least given the option of travelling a little further if it means getting a jab.

I've been very impressed by how the UK have handled the vaccination process, especially when you compare it to the rest of Europe.

[Emmson]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

i've heard that bognor regis is even worse than middlesbrough - tho' might just be us northerners spreading rumours mind you

Surrounding Middlesbrough is actually some lovely countryside, Stockton close by is a lovely town. Got nothing against Cleveland just don't want to travel 31 miles for a jab.

[Derek27]

Have an opportunity to book my appointment for vaccination but unwilling to travel to Middlesbrough so backburner.

You can't get one in your local area?

I'm reluctant to travel across town, I thought I was getting one at my surgery down the road. If they really want everybody to get vaccinated they should come to you.

[greenmark]

You can't get one in your local area?

Not yet apparently too many ahead of me in queue

Hopefully you won't be waiting too long. It's good though that people are at least given the option of travelling a little further if it means getting a jab.

I've been very impressed by how the UK have handled the vaccination process, especially when you compare it to the rest of Europe.

My experience is using the national booking service at 1:30am is far more effective than during the day. 7 days of failing during the day. 1:30am picka day, pick a time.
I'm also willing to give credit to BJ et al with how they've been so fleet of foot on vaccinations. Both from getting contracts in place, but also the roll-out.
And, frankly, I'm disappointed with the EU's lack of agility.They seem to be hamstrung by bureacracy and political point-scoring. This pains me to admit 'cos I was a remainer.

[alexmr2]

With a bit of luck thats what covid will turn into. New vaccines every year to tackle new variants and deaths in line with flu.

Do you honestly believe the variant narrative? Viruses have been evolving for thousands of years and still the population has continued to grow exponentially. There has also been suggestions by scientists that going overkill with vaccines is just going to make things worse and push viruses to evolve even further.

I'm wondering what the difference is between showing a vaccine passport and showing id to confirm a person's age.

"Your papers, please"

Which part is your favourite? The part where healthy people are forced into having 4x long-term untested injections a year from profit-orientated groups, which also have population control agendas and a history of causing significant side effects... or the part where your address, family, location, financial, medical, academic and criminal history will be accessible by organisations?

Personally, I don't understand why this is even an idea or why people think it's a good idea.

I should point out that I don't believe the vaccine is some sort of micro chipping control whatever... but what happend to me being able to choose? I don't even like taking paracetamol for an headache & yes I get that the virus is more serious than an headache but why does anyone who has been vaccinated care about someone who hasn't, or who chooses not to? It's not like they're at risk, right? They've been vaccinated & from what I gather most of the population are foaming at the mouth in long queues to get the vaccine.

I've been fortunate in health & from vague memory it's been about 15 years since I've seen a Dr, I'm very much an advocate for the natural immune system & only if I feel it's life or death will I seek help from a professional, not because I dislike Dr's but because I respect their time & judging by some things I've heard about getting appointments, most people don't.

I had to chuckle last year when the campaign started to stop the nations addiction to antibiotics because they were basically useless against the bodies tolerance.

Lastly for a bit of a rant, what is it with people who think a pill can fix everything? I mean come on, weight loss pills. FML try some gentle exercise & 4 less takeaways a week, they'll save pounds in every direction.

My irritation anyway is, why can't others just let people be... why is there a need impose on others. Pumping drugs into someone being made mandatory should be a scary concept in anyone's book, it's a slippery slope imo...

Simple answer it's not about health, it's all about control and changing an unsustainable society to the way that those at the top want under the guise of an invsible enemy to avoid backlash and influence the majority to go along with it.

Surely people see the irony of needing a "health passport" to get into a pub and eat a burger with 50g of fat and down alcohol all night. In the USA Krispy Kreme is giving a free donut a day to people who take the jab. Who cares about promoting healthy eating and exercise when people can take their silver bullet injections every 6 months and become healthy. Do people believe health can be injected and not earned?

I also wonder why that if it's about saving lives, how come they are putting do not resuscitate orders on elderly and disabled people who contract Covid?
How come they are spending a fortune on trying to label the 99% healthy and largely unaffected by respiratory viruses as sick?
How come they have missed millions of cancer diagnoses (much smaller survival rate) and cancelled/delayed tens of thousands of operations for other bigger killers than respiratory viruses?

Can no one do the statistics here? It's over a year and no country in the world has shown any significant levels of excess deaths. We aren't seeing queues into cemeteries, ambulances everywhere, bodies on the street, life insurance companies going bust, funeral directors raking in money. If so many people are going to die then why haven't house prices crashed because there's going to be so many fewer people and so many empty houses?

The idea of spending over £1 trillion of public funds to try and stop a virus with a survival rate equal to that of almost every other virus for hundreds of years must be the biggest availability cascade of all time

[Trader Pat]

My experience is using the national booking service at 1:30am is far more effective than during the day. 7 days of failing during the day. 1:30am picka day, pick a time.
I'm also willing to give credit to BJ et al with how they've been so fleet of foot on vaccinations. Both from getting contracts in place, but also the roll-out.
And, frankly, I'm disappointed with the EU's lack of agility.They seem to be hamstrung by bureacracy and political point-scoring. This pains me to admit 'cos I was a remainer.

Yeah the EU particularly certain leaders have made a total balls of it.

Its not too bad here in Ireland though, the roll out is slow but not as bad as some other EU countries. My 82 yr old mother is getting her 2nd jab next Saturday so me being 42 will probably have to wait until 2023

Of course its all relative, especially when you look at developing countries.

[jamesg46]

With a bit of luck thats what covid will turn into. New vaccines every year to tackle new variants and deaths in line with flu.

Do you honestly believe the variant narrative? Viruses have been evolving for thousands of years and still the population has continued to grow exponentially. There has also been suggestions by scientists that going overkill with vaccines is just going to make things worse and push viruses to evolve even further.

I'm wondering what the difference is between showing a vaccine passport and showing id to confirm a person's age.

"Your papers, please"

Which part is your favourite? The part where healthy people are forced into having 4x long-term untested injections a year from profit-orientated groups, which also have population control agendas and a history of causing significant side effects... or the part where your address, family, location, financial, medical, academic and criminal history will be accessible by organisations?

Personally, I don't understand why this is even an idea or why people think it's a good idea.

I should point out that I don't believe the vaccine is some sort of micro chipping control whatever... but what happend to me being able to choose? I don't even like taking paracetamol for an headache & yes I get that the virus is more serious than an headache but why does anyone who has been vaccinated care about someone who hasn't, or who chooses not to? It's not like they're at risk, right? They've been vaccinated & from what I gather most of the population are foaming at the mouth in long queues to get the vaccine.

I've been fortunate in health & from vague memory it's been about 15 years since I've seen a Dr, I'm very much an advocate for the natural immune system & only if I feel it's life or death will I seek help from a professional, not because I dislike Dr's but because I respect their time & judging by some things I've heard about getting appointments, most people don't.

I had to chuckle last year when the campaign started to stop the nations addiction to antibiotics because they were basically useless against the bodies tolerance.

Lastly for a bit of a rant, what is it with people who think a pill can fix everything? I mean come on, weight loss pills. FML try some gentle exercise & 4 less takeaways a week, they'll save pounds in every direction.

My irritation anyway is, why can't others just let people be... why is there a need impose on others. Pumping drugs into someone being made mandatory should be a scary concept in anyone's book, it's a slippery slope imo...

Simple answer it's not about health, it's all about control and changing an unsustainable society to the way that those at the top want under the guise of an invsible enemy to avoid backlash and influence the majority to go along with it.

Surely people see the irony of needing a "health passport" to get into a pub and eat a burger with 50g of fat and down alcohol all night. In the USA Krispy Kreme is giving a free donut a day to people who take the jab. Who cares about promoting healthy eating and exercise when people can take their silver bullet injections every 6 months and become healthy. Do people believe health can be injected and not earned?

I also wonder why that if it's about saving lives, how come they are putting do not resuscitate orders on elderly and disabled people who contract Covid?
How come they are spending a fortune on trying to label the 99% healthy and largely unaffected by respiratory viruses as sick?
How come they have missed millions of cancer diagnoses (much smaller survival rate) and cancelled/delayed tens of thousands of operations for other bigger killers than respiratory viruses?

Can no one do the statistics here? It's over a year and no country in the world has shown any significant levels of excess deaths. We aren't seeing queues into cemeteries, ambulances everywhere, bodies on the street, life insurance companies going bust, funeral directors raking in money. If so many people are going to die then why haven't house prices crashed because there's going to be so many fewer people and so many empty houses?

The idea of spending over £1 trillion of public funds to try and stop a virus with a survival rate equal to that of almost every other virus for hundreds of years must be the biggest availability cascade of all time

A severity cascade turned into an availability cascade that produced a laziness cascade. People don't want to bother making a short trip for something being made available to fix the severe cause though

[Derek27]

We aren't seeing queues into cemeteries, ambulances everywhere, bodies on the street, life insurance companies going bust, funeral directors raking in money. If so many people are going to die then why haven't house prices crashed because there's going to be so many fewer people and so many empty houses?

We??? Speak for yourself. You might not see queues for cemeteries on your planet but it's certainly happing here.

As for empty houses, have you actually done the maths? How many empty houses will there be? Does a covid death mean family/housemates have to vacate the property? Do the number of covid deaths outway the present demand for housing? As usual, there's not much thinking behind your posts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

[greenmark]

My experience is using the national booking service at 1:30am is far more effective than during the day. 7 days of failing during the day. 1:30am picka day, pick a time.
I'm also willing to give credit to BJ et al with how they've been so fleet of foot on vaccinations. Both from getting contracts in place, but also the roll-out.
And, frankly, I'm disappointed with the EU's lack of agility.They seem to be hamstrung by bureacracy and political point-scoring. This pains me to admit 'cos I was a remainer.

Yeah the EU particularly certain leaders have made a total balls of it.

Its not too bad here in Ireland though, the roll out is slow but not as bad as some other EU countries. My 82 yr old mother is getting her 2nd jab next Saturday so me being 42 will probably have to wait until 2023

Of course its all relative, especially when you look at developing countries.

Indeed, regarding developing countries. Their advantage is climate, their disadvantage is an inability to respond to a medical crisis. I hope the developed world does the right thing here. We have much lower population density AND the economic and technological resources to help the developing nations. This will all be evaluated over the next few years. I don't want to be associated with a govt that was insular and deprived the needy for political reasons.

[alexmr2]

We aren't seeing queues into cemeteries, ambulances everywhere, bodies on the street, life insurance companies going bust, funeral directors raking in money. If so many people are going to die then why haven't house prices crashed because there's going to be so many fewer people and so many empty houses?

We??? Speak for yourself. You might not see queues for cemeteries on your planet but it's certainly happing here.

As for empty houses, have you actually done the maths? How many empty houses will there be? Does a covid death mean family/housemates have to vacate the property? Do the number of covid deaths outway the present demand for housing? As usual, there's not much thinking behind your posts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

Well it must be true if the BBC said it, that's definitely not propaganda like most of their other stories.

There's around 2 people per household in the UK on average if you take away children who don't own houses, so if there was a deadly virus I'd assume it would have a noticeable effect on the housing market, unless of course the virus wasn't actually that deadly enough to make a difference to the population.

You are right, we should look at the maths, in which case there aren't really any concerning levels of excess deaths in any country in the world regardless of their restrictions and approach. I do see a lot of excess deaths in the home attributed to cancelled treatments for bigger killers however

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