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Kai
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Well, the Americans did try to rename football already, I'm sure they'd love to change a lot more if asked OR given enough power...

Don't think I could unsubscribe from football even if I wanted to, the romance of football is too strong for me and not bothering to comment about that wouldn't feel right.

But for this romance to even work you would surely need an underdog and a favorite, if you lose this in the long term then you lose the potential profit?

Speaking of football romance, one of my earliest memories as a toddler is sitting on the living room floor watching football on TV trying to understand wtf was going on while my now late father was lounging on the sofa right behind me, that was probably what sparked it. Spent the first 15 years of my life playing football in the parks and streets, then the next 15 years I casually played some more football through FIFA and Football Manager, and afterwards I started trading football for a living, so it's safe to say that I like football :) And like I mentioned the other day, I mostly just like to consume Liverpool FC content nowadays.

Football is basically your gift to the world, everyone around the globe can enjoy it for what it is and feel connected through it, it really is fu**ing beautiful in that sense, all you need is a ball and sometimes not even a real one, that's just... beyond amazing. But this very fact that it's so amazingly special and valuable is why it's appealing to ambitious businessmen.

And inviting all these brilliant businessmen to run these mammoth clubs and institutions has to be a double-edged sword eventually, they must be screaming in their pillow on a daily basis out of sheer frustration at the untapped financial potential of "soccer", so can't really blame them for being themselves. Not going to go into rabbit hole topics like sportswashing or I'll be here all week, but don't forget that this isn't really a new problem, the Premier League already has a club that is owned by a nation, an oil-rich nation that threw money at the boldest and baldest young managers who then threw even more money at the problem until he won something. Very romantic indeed.

It's perfectly understandable to see a lot of emotional comments around and on Sky too. I'm personally wary of any overreactions at this point, ideally I'd like to hear from all parties involved before passing any hard judgement and unsubscribing from football etc, but it doesn't look great at first glance, does it.

Overall I am somewhat worried but at the same time I'm confident that common sense will prevail and compromises will be reached.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:23 pm
From BBC:

"Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin said he will be talking to lawyers tomorrow to see if there is any potential for clubs being thrown out of European competition - five of them are due to play in Champions League or Europa League semi-finals next week - and players being barred from Euro 2020."
Blimey! Its day 1 and already getting feisty.
Something struck me though. The hypocrisy of the Premier League and UEFA made me laugh. They both have milked the fans to the nth degree.
Do you think there will be a compromise? Maybe ESL accept relegation (cos the founding clubs know they are unlikely to be relegated) in return for not being banned from domestic/international football. And UEFA just have to accept they've lost their control, but may get a financial sweetener.
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Kai wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:27 pm
Well, the Americans did try to rename football already, I'm sure they'd love to change a lot more if asked OR given enough power...

Don't think I could unsubscribe from football even if I wanted to, the romance of football is too strong for me and not bothering to comment about that wouldn't feel right.

But for this romance to even work you would surely need an underdog and a favorite, if you lose this in the long term then you lose the potential profit?

Speaking of football romance, one of my earliest memories as a toddler is sitting on the living room floor watching football on TV trying to understand wtf was going on while my now late father was lounging on the sofa right behind me, that was probably what sparked it. Spent the first 15 years of my life playing football in the parks and streets, then the next 15 years I casually played some more football through FIFA and Football Manager, and afterwards I started trading football for a living, so it's safe to say that I like football :) And like I mentioned the other day, I mostly just like to consume Liverpool FC content nowadays.

Football is basically your gift to the world, everyone around the globe can enjoy it for what it is and feel connected through it, it really is fu**ing beautiful in that sense, all you need is a ball and sometimes not even a real one, that's just... beyond amazing. But this very fact that it's so amazingly special and valuable is why it's appealing to ambitious businessmen.

And inviting all these brilliant businessmen to run these mammoth clubs and institutions has to be a double-edged sword eventually, they must be screaming in their pillow on a daily basis out of sheer frustration at the untapped financial potential of "soccer", so can't really blame them for being themselves. Not going to go into rabbit hole topics like sportswashing or I'll be here all week, but don't forget that this isn't really a new problem, the Premier League already has a club that is owned by a nation, an oil-rich nation that threw money at the boldest and baldest young managers who then threw even more money at the problem until he won something. Very romantic indeed.

It's perfectly understandable to see a lot of emotional comments around and on Sky too. I'm personally wary of any overreactions at this point, ideally I'd like to hear from all parties involved before passing any hard judgement and unsubscribing from football etc, but it doesn't look great at first glance, does it.

Overall I am somewhat worried but at the same time I'm confident that common sense will prevail and compromises will be reached.

Footballs are pretty amazing, they did stop Tom Hanks from going cuckoo in Castaway after all :lol:

The American's have always wanted to change "Soccer". I remember them wanting to make radical changes to the 94 WC with things like four periods and entertainment just like the Superbowl. There was a stand off between FIFA and the US organisers because they tried to hold a gun to FIFA's head by putting these demands in at the last minute thinking FIFA would capitulate but they didn't. Instead they just lined up last minute stand in hosts to replace the USA with England as usual being the one country that could organise such a large event with little notice.....its a shame they don't remember that when it comes to picking the venue for the World Cup. 55 years and counting while several countries have held it twice since 66
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Kai wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:27 pm
It's perfectly understandable to see a lot of emotional comments around and on Sky too. I'm personally wary of any overreactions at this point, ideally I'd like to hear from all parties involved before passing any hard judgement and unsubscribing from football etc, but it doesn't look great at first glance, does it.

Overall I am somewhat worried but at the same time I'm confident that common sense will prevail and compromises will be reached.

I'm not willing to give Sky, BT or any other broadcaster credit for slamming the idea of a Super League because we all know if they were offered the exclusive rights to air it they would be singing a different tune. If this was to go ahead I would literally stop supporting Liverpool until such a time that they returned to a 'proper' league format.

I'm like you Kai, I think a compromise of some sort will be reached but even if it is the damage that this has done to the credibility of these clubs and their brand is going to be significant. The fact though that the clubs have confirmed that this is happening make it no longer a threat or a bargaining tool, how can they do a complete u-turn and not look even more ridiculous?

If all the governing bodies and leagues stand their ground and follow through on their threats to ban these clubs from playing in domestic competition then I can't see how they can move forward with it but if that were to happen the 'Super 15' will have lost any bargaining power they once had with UEFA. The arrogance of all concerned and complete disregard for the culture of these clubs is what staggers me the most. I understand it from the American owned clubs I mean what do they care its a business to them but the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and particularly Juventus which is a family owned club really should know better.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:48 pm
Kai wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:27 pm
It's perfectly understandable to see a lot of emotional comments around and on Sky too. I'm personally wary of any overreactions at this point, ideally I'd like to hear from all parties involved before passing any hard judgement and unsubscribing from football etc, but it doesn't look great at first glance, does it.

Overall I am somewhat worried but at the same time I'm confident that common sense will prevail and compromises will be reached.

I'm not willing to give Sky, BT or any other broadcaster credit for slamming the idea of a Super League because we all know if they were offered the exclusive rights to air it they would be singing a different tune. If this was to go ahead I would literally stop supporting Liverpool until such a time that they returned to a 'proper' league format.

I'm like you Kai, I think a compromise of some sort will be reached but even if it is the damage that this has done to the credibility of these clubs and their brand is going to be significant. The fact though that the clubs have confirmed that this is happening make it no longer a threat or a bargaining tool, how can they do a complete u-turn and not look even more ridiculous?

If all the governing bodies and leagues stand their ground and follow through on their threats to ban these clubs from playing in domestic competition then I can't see how they can move forward with it but if that were to happen the 'Super 15' will have lost any bargaining power they once had with UEFA. The arrogance of all concerned and complete disregard for the culture of these clubs is what staggers me the most. I understand it from the American owned clubs I mean what do they care its a business to them but the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and particularly Juventus which is a family owned club really should know better.
Even before this I'd decided once fans were allowed back in I was going to go and watch a few of the lower division clubs near my area who play in the English national league and League 2
I've never been to a 'grassroots' match before so thought it would be interesting to see how it compares
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Yeah, all seems eerily childish from afar, they're all suddenly acting like a buncha teenagers arguing over who got invited to a party and who didn't :D

Damage will be done for sure, but I'll get over that as long as the ends justify the memes :mrgreen:
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Kai wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:26 pm
Damage will be done for sure, but I'll get over that as long as the ends justify the memes :mrgreen:
i see what ya did there... :roll:
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European Super League put out some advertising media ahead of the recent breakaway announcement..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:46 pm
European Super League put out some advertising media ahead of the recent breakaway announcement..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
hadn't seen that one before - pretty accurate!!
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Dallas wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 pm
Even before this I'd decided once fans were allowed back in I was going to go and watch a few of the lower division clubs near my area who play in the English national league and League 2
I've never been to a 'grassroots' match before so thought it would be interesting to see how it compares

If this does go ahead I'll go watch my local club which is St Patricks Athletic, currently joint top of the Irish Premier division so might even be some European action next year! :D

Their goalie is a young Czech lad on loan from Liverpool so maybe I'll use clubs that have Liverpool loanees as a surrogate for supporting Liverpool FC! :D
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Trader Pat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:19 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 pm
Even before this I'd decided once fans were allowed back in I was going to go and watch a few of the lower division clubs near my area who play in the English national league and League 2
I've never been to a 'grassroots' match before so thought it would be interesting to see how it compares

If this does go ahead I'll go watch my local club which is St Patricks Athletic, currently joint top of the Irish Premier division so might even be some European action next year! :D

Their goalie is a young Czech lad on loan from Liverpool so maybe I'll use clubs that have Liverpool loanees as a surrogate for supporting Liverpool FC! :D
I'm not one to get nostalgic but this was probably my favorite Liverpool team, just can't remember what season this was!

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Looks like some fans dont like it already.
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jimibt wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:01 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:46 pm
European Super League put out some advertising media ahead of the recent breakaway announcement..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
hadn't seen that one before - pretty accurate!!
Thats funny. Made me lol. Some truth in it re: the banaal nature of being a footy fan. I/we are essentially addicts of a pointless pursuit.
But seriously, I do honestly believe football is important and deeply embedded in our social structure. So for the ESL to destabilise that is a bit naughty. All comes down to what the protaganists agree to. If indeed they do. Worst case scenario is they clear off and are banned. That would be awful.
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Maybe BoJo is looking into compulsory puchase orders for the clubs and then sell shares at £1 each to the fans. Each fan must be an individual and not a company. And each fan is limited to 10,000 shares.
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Maybe an angle here is PSG for the champions league?
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