European Super League

[Trader Pat]

Blimey! Carra/Neville and Souness going after FSG and the Glazers.
Not sure this is a good idea.
FSG have presided over great success for LFC.
Sure enough, the ESL was a horrible concept. But to bite the hand that feeds you. Erm! They made a miscalculation, that's all.
Is is not just part of coming to terms with what football means to us. We shall see over the next few months how this plays.

I'm with you on this, anyone calling for FSG out should be careful what they wish for. The club has been on an upward trajectory since they took over, new stand with another in the pipeline, new training ground. If FSG left tomorrow who would replace them? Worth remembering who was there before them and that the club almost went into administration.

The amount of anti-American sentiment, bordering on hysteria around this has been interesting to watch. Last night on Twitter #FSGOUT, #KroenkeOut & #GlazersOut were all trending in the Top 5 but there was no #AbramovichOut, #SheikMansourOut, or #LewisOut. Chelsea fans outside Stamford Bridge were having a pop at 'The Board' not the owner.

The fact that club owners are hypocrites and greedy bastards is hardly a surprise but the hypocrisy from those in the media, pundits and fans alike is just as bad. People keep banging on about the greed in football but if Crown Prince Salman bought their club I don't think they'd be complaining.

[Morbius]

Still waiting on Liverpool though... As a fan the only thing that could maybe temporarily appease me now would be a marquee signing of either Mbappe or Haaland

You're easily bought off lol

Very few people understand the reality of what is going off in the power rooms in football. I once had a discussion with someone who told me how trading was much more interesting than football to which I replied... No it isn't... Its the same thing. If you take what you believe to be real on one end of the spectrum and then move the bar all the way across to the other end to the silly conspiracy theories setting aka David icke ... Just drag the bar back to the middle and you're aligned.

No way in this world that Jurgen Klopp didn't know what was about to happen. Its simply a chain of events linking him to Jose and Sir Alex with Levy and Woodward. This information has had months and months to be passed around. Loads of managers knew and said nothing until they knew which way the cards were going to fall. And now just like leading Nazis in 45 they are claiming deniability and horror at what was proposed before the shit hit the fan at "nuremburg" . It's just cover your arse. This entire episode highlights just how money corrupt this sport is and fans laud these people because they flick a few trophies their way

[Euler]

Best moment of this debate: -

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 4856688641

[Euler]

Bloomberg : Juventus Chairman Andrea Agnelli, one of the leading architects of the breakaway European Super League, said the project will no longer go ahead: -

https://trib.al/tSJknXX

[Kai]

The club statements are a bit on the pathetic side, only Arsenal offered an apology.

[Dallas]

Bloomberg : Juventus Chairman Andrea Agnelli, one of the leading architects of the breakaway European Super League, said the project will no longer go ahead: -

https://trib.al/tSJknXX

Oh well there goes the possibility of a SISL thread

[Morbius]

You can change your Partner but you can't change your club! (Fever Pitch, published September 12, 1992)

All 'business only' owners of football clubs should be forced to watch this montage of clips from Fever Pitch (especially the clip at 1:30) to understand not what they own but what they are responsible for. Even better if they watched the whole film. A well used legal description is that "you don't own it, you are just holding it in trust for the next generation".

A couple more clips to bring to their attention (or for a nostalgic watch) would be ...

We've all gone through the agonies and had the 'out of the window' moment (1:50)
The first minute sums it all up

If you claim to be a football fan and have never seen the film Fever Pitch (the original 1997) then I suggest you watch it and if you can't associate with it's emotions you are not a real fan!

As Peter said

... I grew up on the terraces of football club, saw it all, good and bad and how when you have been through that you wear that badge for life. It's like part of your family, good or bad.

Money can't buy that loyalty.

What Peter said and thousands like him is THE PROBLEM. As long as that attitude remains then the ingredients for exploitation remain. It isn't a badge for life at all and it certainly isn't part of your family either. It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

[Trader Pat]

What Peter said and thousands like him is THE PROBLEM. As long as that attitude remains then the ingredients for exploitation remain. It isn't a badge for life at all and it certainly isn't part of your family either. It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

Don't take this the wrong way Morbius but Christ you're a miserable bastard!

[Kai]

It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

I guess that's one way to put it, I have no real vices anymore, quit smoking and drinking in mid 20s etc, but I do inject Liverpool FC straight into my veins

Isn't a man without vices just a depressed wreck?

[Morbius]

What Peter said and thousands like him is THE PROBLEM. As long as that attitude remains then the ingredients for exploitation remain. It isn't a badge for life at all and it certainly isn't part of your family either. It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

Don't take this the wrong way Morbius but Christ you're a miserable bastard!

PMSL.. no mate I don't take it the wrong way at all and other people off the forum have said it lol

But I am extremely principled Pat and I hate cleverly disguised exploitation.

[Morbius]

It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

I guess that's one way to put it, I have no real vices anymore, quit smoking and drinking in mid 20s etc, but I do inject Liverpool FC straight into my veins

Isn't a man without vices just a depressed wreck?

You're excused... You trade LFC so you make their money making business your money making business

[Morbius]

It's a football club... A business and dare I say A HABIT.

I was a life long blade until 1998 and it wasn't just home games I went to neither. My games weren't cherry picked like most fans. But all habits can be broken and I broke mine. It takes a little willpower and discipline with a few principles thrown in.

I guess that's one way to put it, I have no real vices anymore, quit smoking and drinking in mid 20s etc, but I do inject Liverpool FC straight into my veins

Isn't a man without vices just a depressed wreck?

As for vices.. Well we all have them don't we but there's vices and vices. Don't forget Jimmy Savile also had a vice and his was young kids

[Trader Pat]

PMSL.. no mate I don't take it the wrong way at all and other people off the forum have said it lol

But I am extremely principled Pat and I hate cleverly disguised exploitation.

Pretty much everything is exploitation some of it cleverly disguised some of it blatant. Leave your house in the morning and you'll have been exploited many times over before you get home that evening, you don't even need to leave your home for it to happen. Most people accept the fact that it goes on all around us, all the time. I think the trick is to know when you're being exploited and by how much.

As a football fan you accept you're being exploited but its a price you're willing to pay for the love of your club and obviously the bigger the club the more you're being exploited so personally it doesn't bother me. The type of exploitation that does piss me off is when you stop at a garage for a coffee, take the largest cup, choose the largest Americano symbol on the machine and it fills the cup half way, that's enough to make anyone go all D-Fens Foster!

[Kai]

Not sure if anyone posted but at least John W. Henry recorded an apology to the fans : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDN7Vk0ZulI

Would love to see one from Glazers Although sacking Ed is probably their way of saying sorry...

[Morbius]

PMSL.. no mate I don't take it the wrong way at all and other people off the forum have said it lol

But I am extremely principled Pat and I hate cleverly disguised exploitation.

Pretty much everything is exploitation some of it cleverly disguised some of it blatant. Leave your house in the morning and you'll have been exploited many times over before you get home that evening, you don't even need to leave your home for it to happen. Most people accept the fact that it goes on all around us, all the time. I think the trick is to know when you're being exploited and by how much.

As a football fan you accept you're being exploited but its a price you're willing to pay for the love of your club and obviously the bigger the club the more you're being exploited so personally it doesn't bother me. The type of exploitation that does piss me off is when you stop at a garage for a coffee, take the largest cup, choose the largest Americano symbol on the machine and it fills the cup half way, that's enough to make anyone go all D-Fens Foster!

You're right mate.. Hard to argue with any of that and maybe I am hypersensitive to some of it but football exploitation really rattles my cage as you've twigged. I just hate having a lifelong passion exploited but I guess that debate could go on till dooms day. If you don't allow yourself to be exploited then you never enjoy anything but everybody exploits everybody else anyway at some stage... Like you say it's the level of it that counts.