European Super League

[Kai]

Savage

[Dallas]

Savage

[Archangel]

Thank God the horrific prospect of a money obsessed super league has been squashed.
Now we can go back to proper football, dominated by TV companies, Agents and Oligarchs

[Kai]

Thank God the horrific prospect of a money obsessed super league has been squashed.

Unless it was a smokescreen for something far more sinister yet to come! Like an expanded Champions League etc

[Morbius]

Thank God the horrific prospect of a money obsessed super league has been squashed.

Unless it was a smokescreen for something far more sinister yet to come! Like an expanded Champions League etc

How much more can they realistically expand it without ruining quality. The old European Cup was for league champions only and while the actual competition itself was far easier to win... The really hard part came in trying to qualify for it. But just how interesting are CL group stages anyway even as it stands???

6/8 are totally predictable in finding qualifiers with the other two being any two from 3. There aren't many groups where you think "that's interesting" and "champions league" is a misnomer as it is. Liverpool weren't champions in 2004 when they won in 05 and neither were Chelsea in 2012...united in 99 and Liverpool in 2019. I have no problem with more teams being in a cup competition but for heavens sake change its name... I'm all for it going back to being called the European Cup

[Trader Pat]

The new changes taking effect from 2024 is an expanded tournament of 36 teams, no groups it will be a league format. Each team plays 10 games and the top 8 qualify for the last 16, positions 9-24 then enter a play off round to qualify for the last 16. Surely this just means more dead rubber games and it will be even less likely that a 'Top' team will be eliminated at the first hurdle.

[Morbius]

The new changes taking effect from 2024 is an expanded tournament of 36 teams, no groups it will be a league format. Each team plays 10 games and the top 8 qualify for the last 16, positions 9-24 then enter a play off round to qualify for the last 16. Surely this just means more dead rubber games and it will be even less likely that a 'Top' team will be eliminated at the first hurdle.

Great for trading though

But for fans... Imagine all those edge of the seat real Madrid vs fc copenhagen games

[Morbius]

Not sure if anyone posted but at least John W. Henry recorded an apology to the fans : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDN7Vk0ZulI

Would love to see one from Glazers Although sacking Ed is probably their way of saying sorry...

Fcuk the apologies. We all new what they were but now they've just slam dunked it. They are worming and backtracking so as not to destroy what they already have. Just like the Germans in 45.... They aren't sorry for anything except the fact they lost and didn't get away with it and were complicit in horrific acts of which there would be dire consequences for later down the line

[Kai]

Just like the Germans in 45....

The apology was something new, I did nazi that coming

[firlandsfarm]

What Peter said and thousands like him is THE PROBLEM. As long as that attitude remains then the ingredients for exploitation remain.

Sorry, can't agree. The ingredient for exploitation is ownership ... In a poorly regulated market he who has ownership has control. They will have learned from this episode, they will adapt their plan, do some lobbying, offer a few sweeteners and represent whether with themselves (and others) as an independent group or by influence within the UAFA corridors.

[firlandsfarm]

Savage

[superfrank]

Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli has claimed Boris Johnson forced the collapse of the Super League as he feared it would undermine Brexit.

Agnelli, branded a “snake” for his role in the tournament by Aleksander Ceferin, the president of Uefa and godfather to his daughter, said: “I have had speculation to that extent that if six teams would have broken away and would have threatened the EPL (Premier League), politics would have seen that as an attack to Brexit and their political scheme.”

LOL

[Morbius]

What Peter said and thousands like him is THE PROBLEM. As long as that attitude remains then the ingredients for exploitation remain.

Sorry, can't agree. The ingredient for exploitation is ownership ... In a poorly regulated market he who has ownership has control. They will have learned from this episode, they will adapt their plan, do some lobbying, offer a few sweeteners and represent whether with themselves (and others) as an independent group or by influence within the UAFA corridors.

Sorry firlandsfarm but thats just flat out wrong. You're free to disagree and we each have our own opinions but there is a difference between opinions and facts. The mistake you are making with that line is two fold. Firstly like tracking a river back to its point of origin you aren't reverting to the root cause and secondly you are refusing to take responsibility for your own actions.

Some of your post has validity but just not the "ingredient for exploitation is ownership" bit and "in a poorly regulated market he who has ownership has controL". You are technically correct with both of those statements but they both lack depth which also makes them technically wrong at the same time. A few years ago there was a thread started on this forum by Pete asking for the opinions of people on the subject of whether or not the exchanges were manipulated. I never engaged with that thread because I only discovered it years later when I was researching something.

However this does when juxtaposed highlight something very important. That entire thread was actually erroneous for numerous reasons. Firstly all financial markets are manipulated but that doesn't automatically mean that the manipulation is insidious but it exists and not only that but it exists as part and parcel of what financial markets are. They are an environment that is deeply adversarial where the objective of the market is to take your money because the market itself is full of particpants trying to extract profit from it. No trader should have a problem with a market being manipulated because there are numerous advantages that stem from that, its when its something else thats the problem.

Poker is another example of a "manipulated" market because events and outcomes are being manipulated from the very first card that is dealt but that is different to blatant cheating. Chips equate to power in poker and power equates to control (as you rightly say). This applies equally to a betting exchange and money and indeed ownership of that exchange would equate to control and power...this is where your point has some semblance of accuracy. But the point of the matter is this....each and every person has the right and the power to engage at will and disengage at will. This now boils down to the root cause of exploitation and it is ignorance.......ignorance is the "currency" that fuels exploitation because without it then it cannot possibly exist, its simply the cart before the horse.

Greater education would eradicate exploitation and football fans have had ample opportunity to have been "educated" enough down the years but have chosen to remain blissfully ignorant and now they are reaping what they sowed unfortunately. There will always be people who attempt to manipulate and exploit others by the gaining of control but the real key is to keep people ignorant. No one is going to hold your hand through life and educate you in every single facet of life. Its up to the individual to educate themselves and not allow these practices to exist.

[Kai]

Not a bad move by Levy to appoint an untouchable 29 year-old as interim manager to appease the fans and create some positive headlines.

This also puts all the pressure on Pep and City for the cup final.

[firlandsfarm]

You are technically correct with both of those statements but they both lack depth

So I am correct. And FYI the depth of my comment reflects my reluctance to write an essay!