Horses that should drift, but refuse to...

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stueytrader
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:28 pm
stueytrader wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:14 pm
Seriously considering whether my trading should be avoided altogether when I want to lay.

The number of my selections that get backed by the market but still run poorly is very frustrating.

Good example yesterday look at Curragh 5.55 - Peregrine Run my lay selection.

Horse is trading around 17.0-19.0 range, where I've laid intending to trade, it does briefly enter the 20's ranges, but then most oddly is crashed back into as low as 9.6!

Of course that ruins my lay trade. However, as I predicted, in terms of the race it finishes unplaced 8th position.

Do backers want to give their money away or something in these cases??
Sounds like you're able to identify a poor/losing runner.

Maybe, wait for confirmation of the price, when it starts to steam, then you can lay it at shorter odds. Better than Laying it at bigger odds.

Cos it steams, it doesn't mean it's smart money...probably the dumb money.
Yes, you're right that would be better, though sods law if I've not entered my lay they so often don't seem to shorten (paranoia and annoyance inducing!). :x

I'm just not sure why so many horses shorten (steam even) when there is little reason for it! I knew the above horse very well from previous historical analysis. Maybe I knew too much, because dumb backers wanted to waste money on it, as you suggest - dumb money appears for some reason at times.
stueytrader
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Overall though, I agree with your point, I should just wait for these dumb shorteners and hit them at that point.
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stueytrader wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:17 pm
Overall though, I agree with your point, I should just wait for these dumb shorteners and hit them at that point.
Example of Dumb money, probably cos of Hollie being booked for the ride. However, soft ground an issue.

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Far left of the screen - Easy L2B - Let it Ride example. (Probably a Place Lay qualifier in hindsight)

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stueytrader
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Yep, can be a jockey issue sometimes I agree with these overbacked ones.

Check out SDS ride and finishing place at Lingfield 4.45 today - Magical Mile the horse.

Was trading one point around 1.68 pre-race market, ended up virtually pulled up in a 7furlong race!
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stueytrader wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:51 pm
Yep, can be a jockey issue sometimes I agree with these overbacked ones.

Check out SDS ride and finishing place at Lingfield 4.45 today - Magical Mile the horse.

Was trading one point around 1.68 pre-race market, ended up virtually pulled up in a 7furlong race!
Write up said' Bumped start, but pushed along 4f out, then eased. Pegasus wouldn't of got home in that race...well maybe....
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:24 pm
stueytrader wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:51 pm
Yep, can be a jockey issue sometimes I agree with these overbacked ones.

Check out SDS ride and finishing place at Lingfield 4.45 today - Magical Mile the horse.

Was trading one point around 1.68 pre-race market, ended up virtually pulled up in a 7furlong race!
Write up said' Bumped start, but pushed along 4f out, then eased. Pegasus wouldn't of got home in that race...well maybe....
There were masses of potential fundamentals against Magical Mile - it had virtually never run on turf, and certainly not soft ground. Yet, despite that the market backed it like it should win by 5 lengths. The truth (hindsight) is that it was never going to run any sort of race in terms of ability on that ground. Also another one for the market 'efficiency' debate.
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