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[xtrader16]

You mean they are risking FAR more than £500 right? Anyways this doesn't make much sense, your risk : profit ratio is determined by the odds you bet at.

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

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What I’m talking about is 'Cold Trading' following patterns that move the markets at certain times. I think the people who understand the way the market moves don’t look at a form book from one month to the next.

The market operates on a 101% overround so it needs to level up across all horses. So, with that in mind there must be some way of running that scenario into an algorithm then automate that algorithm into Bet Angel.

[xtrader16]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

[Realrocknrolla]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

This won't age well!

[xtrader16]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

This won't age well!

Lets see then. Euler and Dallas will be excluded, obviously but I challenge anybody to make £150 on a £500 account in one day. Prove me wrong. You only need to show the video of the ladder nothing else. By the way this has nothing to do with you needing a large account to make money (I never said you did) it is just about a risk reward type of thing. Your risks will be too big and your reward to small to make £150 over 15 races. Prove me wrong. Its only £10 a race.

[Realrocknrolla]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

This won't age well!

Lets see then. Euler and Dallas will be excluded, obviously but I challenge anybody to make £150 on a £500 account in one day. Prove me wrong. You only need to show the video of the ladder nothing else. By the way this has nothing to do with you needing a large account to make money (I never said you did) it is just about a risk reward type of thing. Your risks will be too big and your reward to small to make £150 over 15 races. Prove me wrong. Its only £10 a race.

I made £150 on the last race at Newbury.

Frank Sinatra’d it!

[alexmr2]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

What about $300,000,000 in 1 second? You just have to buy the new ebook to learn how

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[xtrader16]

This won't age well!

Lets see then. Euler and Dallas will be excluded, obviously but I challenge anybody to make £150 on a £500 account in one day. Prove me wrong. You only need to show the video of the ladder nothing else. By the way this has nothing to do with you needing a large account to make money (I never said you did) it is just about a risk reward type of thing. Your risks will be too big and your reward to small to make £150 over 15 races. Prove me wrong. Its only £10 a race.

I made £150 on the last race at Newbury.

Frank Sinatra’d it!

Sure you did.....show me a screen shot of the race or I will just think you are lying. By the way, I hope you did.

[dm1900]

Anybody who knows what they're doing and is making £150 a day from trading isn't risking anywhere near £500 to make it.

You mean they are risking FAR more than £500 right? Anyways this doesn't make much sense, your risk : profit ratio is determined by the odds you bet at.

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

What? You said £150 from risking £500. That's 30% return. Not even the most legendary bettors are making 30% return on their risk. A £500 _bank_ is different. Bank means fuck all anyway, I could have a 2,000,000 bank and only risk 0.00001% per trade. People really need to start talking about return as a % of turnover, rather thank "bank".

[xtrader16]

You mean they are risking FAR more than £500 right? Anyways this doesn't make much sense, your risk : profit ratio is determined by the odds you bet at.

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

What? You said £150 from risking £500. That's 30% return. Not even the most legendary bettors are making 30% return on their risk. A £500 _bank_ is different. Bank means fuck all anyway, I could have a 2,000,000 bank and only risk 0.00001% per trade. People really need to start talking about return as a % of turnover, rather thank "bank".

Hello mate, this is a trader conversation. You seem to be a bettor of somesort. We are discussing cold trading, well I am anyway.

[dm1900]

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

What? You said £150 from risking £500. That's 30% return. Not even the most legendary bettors are making 30% return on their risk. A £500 _bank_ is different. Bank means fuck all anyway, I could have a 2,000,000 bank and only risk 0.00001% per trade. People really need to start talking about return as a % of turnover, rather thank "bank".

Hello mate, this is a trader conversation. You seem to be a bettor of somesort. We are discussing cold trading, well I am anyway.

Does it matter? Both involve ensuring you have +EV on your positions (i.e. taking value). Regardless if you trade in and out in seconds or hold positions for hours.

[Trader Pat]

You mean they are risking FAR more than £500 right? Anyways this doesn't make much sense, your risk : profit ratio is determined by the odds you bet at.

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

What? You said £150 from risking £500. That's 30% return. Not even the most legendary bettors are making 30% return on their risk. A £500 _bank_ is different. Bank means fuck all anyway, I could have a 2,000,000 bank and only risk 0.00001% per trade. People really need to start talking about return as a % of turnover, rather thank "bank".

Read what I said, I never said risking £500. I said it should be straight forward for an experienced trader to make £150 a day with a bank of £500. If you're risking £500 to make £150 then thats just a punt and you're not trading.

We're talking trading here over the course of a day, for arguments sake lets say just pre off horse racing alone, that's 20+ races. So you can make a 30% return on your bank over the course of a day, not a 30% return on your risk.

[Euler]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

What about $300,000,000 in 1 second? You just have to buy the new ebook to learn how

When I saw that headline I thought, I've seen that before. Sure enough...

https://huddleup.substack.com/p/the-spo ... urned-700k

[xtrader16]

I will challenge anybody to make £150 for 3 consecutive days with a £500 account. It cannot be done. I doubt anybody will prove me wrong.

What about $300,000,000 in 1 second? You just have to buy the new ebook to learn how

When I saw that headline I thought, I've seen that before. Sure enough...

https://huddleup.substack.com/p/the-spo ... urned-700k

Where do i sign

Yes TraderPat - £150 in a day with a £500 bank risking say 5% per race max thats ...fingers and thumbs.....£25 max to make £150 profit. I know it can be done but I doubt anybody will prove it to me. Maybe Peter can do it on a YouTube video.

[alexmr2]

I've saw a video of someone turning £400 into £532 over 3 hours of consecutive pre-off trades to try and beat the £400 berry bank challenge on Youtube... but it was practice mode and there was some excessive risk at times

I've recorded myself turning £100 bank into £143 (without any drastic excessive risk) but the variance was definitely on my side and I'm not a profitable trader long-term yet, it was just a really good day

If I had to guess I would say £50-100 a day from a £500 bank consistently would be realistic for an experienced trader

[dm1900]

An experienced trader with a bank of £500 should be able to make £150 per day on average and they would actually be risking LESS than £500 not more. Like Euler says you're only risking a fraction of your stake on any trade.

What? You said £150 from risking £500. That's 30% return. Not even the most legendary bettors are making 30% return on their risk. A £500 _bank_ is different. Bank means fuck all anyway, I could have a 2,000,000 bank and only risk 0.00001% per trade. People really need to start talking about return as a % of turnover, rather thank "bank".

Read what I said, I never said risking £500. I said it should be straight forward for an experienced trader to make £150 a day with a bank of £500. If you're risking £500 to make £150 then thats just a punt and you're not trading.

We're talking trading here over the course of a day, for arguments sake lets say just pre off horse racing alone, that's 20+ races. So you can make a 30% return on your bank over the course of a day, not a 30% return on your risk.

But you said "Anybody who knows what they're doing and is making £150 a day from trading isn't risking anywhere near £500 to make it.".

I can assure you that top traders are risking far more (even per trade), to make even less than 150 from that risk. Anyways, if we are taking bank then you only need to turn over your bank 6 times during the day fully to reasonably expect to make 150, if you're goood.