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Should we be terribly upset if they find their way into French restaurants? We eat around 10 million pigs and 2.5 million cattle here each year.
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Realrocknrolla wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:39 pm
xtrader16 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:33 pm
Lets wait and see what it says before we judge it.
I’ve read 20%.. my minds made up! 😉
:lol:
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Jukebox wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:24 pm
Should we be terribly upset if they find their way into French restaurants? We eat around 10 million pigs and 2.5 million cattle here each year.
I don't really have an issue with horse meat as long as they're not race or working horses. I don't like the idea of eating cats, and eating dogs is plain revolting.
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:27 pm
I don't really have an issue with horse meat as long as they're not race or working horses. I don't like the idea of eating cats, and eating dogs is plain revolting.
Is really kinder to rear horses only for the table?
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Jukebox wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:31 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:27 pm
I don't really have an issue with horse meat as long as they're not race or working horses. I don't like the idea of eating cats, and eating dogs is plain revolting.
Is really kinder to rear horses only for the table?
I don't like the idea but unless you're a vegetarian you can't really complain, it's no different to rearing cattle. I just feel horses that have worked all their lives deserve better treatment.

On the subject of horses being put down, as the Panarama alludes to, I've explained the reasons for it here:

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I support the making and airing of this documentary!

What I do not support is the way Panorama was cut from 50 mins some years ago. :evil:

Documentary is the wrong word but then investigative current affairs programme is too much of a mouthful.
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That documentary does raise questions about control within the BHA concerning retired horses but surely they should be passing that information and footage to the police and RSPCA instead of simply making a documentary?
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Realrocknrolla wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:39 pm
xtrader16 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:33 pm
Lets wait and see what it says before we judge it.
I’ve read 20%.. my minds made up! 😉
I dont really get this joke can you explain it to me?
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xtrader16 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:52 am
Realrocknrolla wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:39 pm
xtrader16 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:33 pm
Lets wait and see what it says before we judge it.
I’ve read 20%.. my minds made up! 😉
I dont really get this joke can you explain it to me?
I found 20% of the information i needed and then formed a train of thought that i am immovable from regardless of the facts of the documentary.

I’d like to clarify that I am in no way shape or form a non binary though 😉😉
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:)
Realrocknrolla wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:37 am
xtrader16 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:52 am
Realrocknrolla wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:39 pm


I’ve read 20%.. my minds made up! 😉
I dont really get this joke can you explain it to me?
I found 20% of the information i needed and then formed a train of thought that i am immovable from regardless of the facts of the documentary.

I’d like to clarify that I am in no way shape or form a non binary though 😉😉
I thought it was Pareto principle ( 80-20 rule)… :)
- bbc is ready to keep 20 % of its die hard subscribers deluded. They form 80% of what bbc find entertaining/ valuable.
Win win .
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Was tough to watch but glad I did. Stuff like that should be highlighted and dealt with.

That abattoir should be closed down and the owners and staff prosecuted, disgusting what goes on.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:21 pm
Was tough to watch but glad I did. Stuff like that should be highlighted and dealt with.

That abattoir should be closed down and the owners and staff prosecuted, disgusting what goes on.
Haven’t watched it yet , but there is plenty other videos on YouTube on horse racing darkside.
All competitive sports have a dark side . We the spectators only get to see the winners from a vast majority of failed participants.
Look at boxing , MMA, …. Many boxers have long lasting damage or death from injuries sustained during the event . You only hear about them if they are winning or they are famous. The rest are left to anguish at the expense of entertainment.
That said :…. Any cruelty to a living soul must be condemned and highlighted .
BBC has always known about horse racing and the effects of low quality money prizes on breeding and rearing of horses.
Jockeys get peanuts to ride a horse and the owners of this horses need a lot of money to keep thier silks on top … that’s a lot of room for manipulation . Sometimes it’s more valuable to bet against your own horse or pay a jokey to do the job for you …. That’s a can of worms.
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decomez6 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:02 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:21 pm
Was tough to watch but glad I did. Stuff like that should be highlighted and dealt with.

That abattoir should be closed down and the owners and staff prosecuted, disgusting what goes on.
Haven’t watched it yet , but there is plenty other videos on YouTube on horse racing darkside.
All competitive sports have a dark side . We the spectators only get to see the winners from a vast majority of failed participants.
Look at boxing , MMA, …. Many boxers have long lasting damage or death from injuries sustained during the event . You only hear about them if they are winning or they are famous. The rest are left to anguish at the expense of entertainment.
That said :…. Any cruelty to a living soul must be condemned and highlighted .
BBC has always known about horse racing and the effects of low quality money prizes on breeding and rearing of horses.
Jockeys get peanuts to ride a horse and the owners of this horses need a lot of money to keep thier silks on top … that’s a lot of room for manipulation . Sometimes it’s more valuable to bet against your own horse or pay a jokey to do the job for you …. That’s a can of worms.

I couldn't care less if the program was made by the BBC, GB News or Pornhub. Its important to shine a light on this kind of behaviour and blatant disregard for the animal and to try to eradicate it from the sport. Nobody is naïve enough to think all ex racehorses retire to a paddock somewhere and live happily ever after but the industry does have a duty of care and if one part of the industry is failing in that regard then it should be investigated and not just swept under the carpet.

My one issue with the programme was giving a platform to a group who are advocating for an outright ban of the sport, you can obviously be an animal lover and still support the racing industry.
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Realrocknrolla wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:37 am
xtrader16 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:52 am
Realrocknrolla wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:39 pm


I’ve read 20%.. my minds made up! 😉
I dont really get this joke can you explain it to me?
I found 20% of the information i needed and then formed a train of thought that i am immovable from regardless of the facts of the documentary.

I’d like to clarify that I am in no way shape or form a non binary though 😉😉
Yer, still don’t get the joke. I suggested we watch the documentary before forming an opinion on it. I fail to see the issue with finding out what they say before smashing it to pieces. None of my opinions are fixed and always subject to change.

Especially this one. People who fail to process information they read incorrectly then misinterpret it are idiots. Plenty of them around.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:34 pm
decomez6 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:02 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:21 pm
Was tough to watch but glad I did. Stuff like that should be highlighted and dealt with.

That abattoir should be closed down and the owners and staff prosecuted, disgusting what goes on.
Haven’t watched it yet , but there is plenty other videos on YouTube on horse racing darkside.
All competitive sports have a dark side . We the spectators only get to see the winners from a vast majority of failed participants.
Look at boxing , MMA, …. Many boxers have long lasting damage or death from injuries sustained during the event . You only hear about them if they are winning or they are famous. The rest are left to anguish at the expense of entertainment.
That said :…. Any cruelty to a living soul must be condemned and highlighted .
BBC has always known about horse racing and the effects of low quality money prizes on breeding and rearing of horses.
Jockeys get peanuts to ride a horse and the owners of this horses need a lot of money to keep thier silks on top … that’s a lot of room for manipulation . Sometimes it’s more valuable to bet against your own horse or pay a jokey to do the job for you …. That’s a can of worms.

I couldn't care less if the program was made by the BBC, GB News or Pornhub. Its important to shine a light on this kind of behaviour and blatant disregard for the animal and to try to eradicate it from the sport. Nobody is naïve enough to think all ex racehorses retire to a paddock somewhere and live happily ever after but the industry does have a duty of care and if one part of the industry is failing in that regard then it should be investigated and not just swept under the carpet.

My one issue with the programme was giving a platform to a group who are advocating for an outright ban of the sport, you can obviously be an animal lover and still support the racing industry.
Politicians are dressed up in suits , but politics is a dirty game .
I sense a political hatch act . The exchanges are in bed with bookies , and they are now setting up thier headquarters in places favourable to thier bottom line ( tax avoidance )… this is not always welcome news to politicians who use thier power of mass influence to blackmail the big boys of the betting industry . Most politicians receive a certain kind of kick back inform of a campaign donation just to keep thier mouth piece ( bbc) quiet.
RSPCA has always done the leg work of animal cruelty and I find them more genuine and less antagonistic .we all want to see the bad apples of the horse racing industry down the drains.
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