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[Trader Pat]

On the balance of play I'm happy to take the point

If we want to challenge for the title we need to turn up earlier in games, we were crap in the first half

Y, I'd agree with that, it was almost like we were scared of them and it's not very often I'd say that about them especially when playing at Anfield

I think the Liverpool players bought into the hype of the occasion, City players seemed to deal with it a lot better

I think we also need to get away from overblowing the importance of the Anfield crowd. If its 0-0 after 20 minutes the crowd go quiet then the away side usually grow into the game. Luckily City couldn't take advantage.

Highlight of the game was obviously Salah's goal but Pep losing the plot when Milner wasn't sent off is a very close second

[convoysur-2]

Hi
I was trading a game tonight and just before Ht a goal came. So jumped in to have a couple of quick scalps. 2 mins later the goal was Disallowed. So the overs i was trading went from 1.3 to around ,1.7 leaving me with a red of 77 euro. I had thought that betfair had stoped this shit by cancelling trades when this happened. Long story short i want some money back. I know its happened to lots of traders on here before. Is there a topic thread for it? I wanted to know whats my best way forward with betfair correspondence. As if i talk to chat ill just get all the excuses and third party disclaimer bullshit like always. Any advice welcome. Ive been caught out with this countless times now. Thanks in advance.

[Derek27]

Hi
I was trading a game tonight and just before Ht a goal came. So jumped in to have a couple of quick scalps. 2 mins later the goal was Disallowed. So the overs i was trading went from 1.3 to around ,1.7 leaving me with a red of 77 euro. I had thought that betfair had stoped this shit by cancelling trades when this happened. Long story short i want some money back. I know its happened to lots of traders on here before. Is there a topic thread for it? I wanted to know whats my best way forward with betfair correspondence. As if i talk to chat ill just get all the excuses and third party disclaimer bullshit like always. Any advice welcome. Ive been caught out with this countless times now. Thanks in advance.

I've known them to void bets retrospectively. I once redded-up after they failed to void a bet, only to find they voided it later in the match, and had to red-up again.

There's no harm in getting on the chat service and explaining that the bet should have been voided and ask them to escalate it if necessary. Or you might be offered a goodwill credit or free bet.

[LeTiss]

Claudio Ranieri has already been matched at 5.00JFav to be the 'Next Manager to Leave Position'

I know the market is in it's infancy, but what a joke of a club this makes Watford look.....they are still 4pts clear of the drop zone.
What the heck are their owners expecting?

[firlandsfarm]

Hi
I was trading a game tonight and just before Ht a goal came. So jumped in to have a couple of quick scalps. 2 mins later the goal was Disallowed. So the overs i was trading went from 1.3 to around ,1.7 leaving me with a red of 77 euro. I had thought that betfair had stoped this shit by cancelling trades when this happened. Long story short i want some money back. I know its happened to lots of traders on here before. Is there a topic thread for it? I wanted to know whats my best way forward with betfair correspondence. As if i talk to chat ill just get all the excuses and third party disclaimer bullshit like always. Any advice welcome. Ive been caught out with this countless times now. Thanks in advance.

I can fully understand the frustration and feeling of unfair treatment you, I and others feel when this happens but what else can Bf do? They can't let a goal stand when officially ruled out ... maybe they could look at a duplicate market settling bets based on goals awarded by the ref but does it happen often enough to warrant that?

[wearthefoxhat]

Claudio Ranieri has already been matched at 5.00JFav to be the 'Next Manager to Leave Position'

I know the market is in it's infancy, but what a joke of a club this makes Watford look.....they are still 4pts clear of the drop zone.
What the heck are their owners expecting?

They've sacked 15 or so managers in 10 years or so.

Probably should have stuck with Sean Dyche....

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[Derek27]

Hi
I was trading a game tonight and just before Ht a goal came. So jumped in to have a couple of quick scalps. 2 mins later the goal was Disallowed. So the overs i was trading went from 1.3 to around ,1.7 leaving me with a red of 77 euro. I had thought that betfair had stoped this shit by cancelling trades when this happened. Long story short i want some money back. I know its happened to lots of traders on here before. Is there a topic thread for it? I wanted to know whats my best way forward with betfair correspondence. As if i talk to chat ill just get all the excuses and third party disclaimer bullshit like always. Any advice welcome. Ive been caught out with this countless times now. Thanks in advance.

I can fully understand the frustration and feeling of unfair treatment you, I and others feel when this happens but what else can Bf do? They can't let a goal stand when officially ruled out ... maybe they could look at a duplicate market settling bets based on goals awarded by the ref but does it happen often enough to warrant that?

The issue convoysur-2 is complaining about is that Betfair didn't void the bet he placed in accordance with their rules.

Personally, I'd rather they just stopped managing goals/VARs if they can't do it properly and let all bets stand. At least that way we'd all know what the situation and risk is.

[firlandsfarm]

The issue convoysur-2 is complaining about is that Betfair didn't void the bet he placed in accordance with their rules.

Personally, I'd rather they just stopped managing goals/VARs if they can't do it properly and let all bets stand. At least that way we'd all know what the situation and risk is.

Ah, OK. Sorry but I must admit I am not sure of the details around such an event because I have only been caught out once. I would have thought they should void all bets from when the goal 'was scored' and VAR overturning it.

[greenmark]

The issue convoysur-2 is complaining about is that Betfair didn't void the bet he placed in accordance with their rules.

Personally, I'd rather they just stopped managing goals/VARs if they can't do it properly and let all bets stand. At least that way we'd all know what the situation and risk is.

Ah, OK. Sorry but I must admit I am not sure of the details around such an event because I have only been caught out once. I would have thought they should void all bets from when the goal 'was scored' and VAR overturning it.

Or perhaps the rules should be based on the referee's decision, not VAR. In the aftermath of a goal awarded by a ref, lots of people will be making other bets based on the supposed goal and left high and dry if VAR overturns it.
There is a caveat here that we all now know this can happen, so we should factor that eventuality into what bets we place.
Maybe the solution is as simple as, if the ref awards a goal, its a goal in terms of the bets placed.
Who loses if we ignore VAR?
Gets more complex with under/overs but that's not my problem.

[firlandsfarm]

Or perhaps the rules should be based on the referee's decision, not VAR. In the aftermath of a goal awarded by a ref, lots of people will be making other bets based on the supposed goal and left high and dry if VAR overturns it.
There is a caveat here that we all now know this can happen, so we should factor that eventuality into what bets we place.
Maybe the solution is as simple as, if the ref awards a goal, its a goal in terms of the bets placed.
Who loses if we ignore VAR?
Gets more complex with under/overs but that's not my problem.

I don't see how the bets can be settled on the ref's decisions without regard to the official result. That could change the outcome of every market on the match! But as I proposed maybe there could be limited dual markets based on ref's decisions.

[Derek27]

The issue convoysur-2 is complaining about is that Betfair didn't void the bet he placed in accordance with their rules.

Personally, I'd rather they just stopped managing goals/VARs if they can't do it properly and let all bets stand. At least that way we'd all know what the situation and risk is.

Ah, OK. Sorry but I must admit I am not sure of the details around such an event because I have only been caught out once. I would have thought they should void all bets from when the goal 'was scored' and VAR overturning it.

That's what they should do according to their rules, but occasionally they forget, until after you closed the trade that they later void.

[Derek27]

The issue convoysur-2 is complaining about is that Betfair didn't void the bet he placed in accordance with their rules.

Personally, I'd rather they just stopped managing goals/VARs if they can't do it properly and let all bets stand. At least that way we'd all know what the situation and risk is.

Ah, OK. Sorry but I must admit I am not sure of the details around such an event because I have only been caught out once. I would have thought they should void all bets from when the goal 'was scored' and VAR overturning it.

Or perhaps the rules should be based on the referee's decision, not VAR. In the aftermath of a goal awarded by a ref, lots of people will be making other bets based on the supposed goal and left high and dry if VAR overturns it.
There is a caveat here that we all now know this can happen, so we should factor that eventuality into what bets we place.
Maybe the solution is as simple as, if the ref awards a goal, its a goal in terms of the bets placed.
Who loses if we ignore VAR?
Gets more complex with under/overs but that's not my problem.

That's not practical. Some people will wonder why they bet on their football team lost when their team won 3-0!

[LeTiss]

Nice little drift on the Swedish match between Vasteras and GAIS kicking off at 6pm

Vasteras have been backed consistently all day, all the way down to 1.67
They just drifted 20 ticks back to 1.88 in 10-15 mins flat

[greenmark]

Ah, OK. Sorry but I must admit I am not sure of the details around such an event because I have only been caught out once. I would have thought they should void all bets from when the goal 'was scored' and VAR overturning it.

Or perhaps the rules should be based on the referee's decision, not VAR. In the aftermath of a goal awarded by a ref, lots of people will be making other bets based on the supposed goal and left high and dry if VAR overturns it.
There is a caveat here that we all now know this can happen, so we should factor that eventuality into what bets we place.
Maybe the solution is as simple as, if the ref awards a goal, its a goal in terms of the bets placed.
Who loses if we ignore VAR?
Gets more complex with under/overs but that's not my problem.

That's not practical. Some people will wonder why they bet on their football team lost when their team won 3-0!

Well quite. So the only solution is for people to wait until VAR has spoken.
That shouldn't be too difficult for the average trader.
A goal is not a goal until VAR says it is. Caveat emptor!

[greenmark]

Italy? Spain have not pulled up any stumps for a while.
But this is a peculiar fixture. Mid-season. Does anyone give a monkeys? But this is Italy v Spain. I think they care about this. So my money is on Italy.