Australian Open 2022

[Trader Pat]

Wasn't it the Victoria state/Tennis Australia that said 'yeah, you're good to come and play'.
I wonder whether there is more politics here than meets the eye. Victoria is ALP. Are they trying to mix a bottle for the coalition?
Just trying to understand the situation, and speculating. No offence to anyone.
Bottom line for me, I'd rather see Novak play than not. But if he does and gets a hostile reception, then fair enough.

Back in November the PM opened the door to unvaccinated players if they served 2 weeks quarantine but then Victoria’s Premier closed that door very quickly and said all players would have to be vaccinated so there's definitely a bit of local versus federal politics at play. Not sure what's happened and who said what since then!

I hope he plays too but he'll probably get a brutal reception if he does.

[gazuty]

Back in November the PM opened the door to unvaccinated players if they served 2 weeks quarantine but then Victoria’s Premier closed that door very quickly and said all players would have to be vaccinated so there's definitely a bit of local versus federal politics at play. Not sure what's happened and who said what since then!

I hope he plays too but he'll probably get a brutal reception if he does.

That is one other aspect "in play" - pardon the pun. There is a possibility he wins his court case today (and either side will probably appeal in any case whatever the result) and the tournament admits him (given public comments by Tennis Australia thus far), but the Victorian Government and in particular its Premier comes over the top and prevents him from playing. There are multiple ways of doing this - including by preventing him from entering Melbourne Park (the site of the tournament) or using the public health powers (that interestingly the Victorian Parliament passed into legislation at the end of last year) to detain Djokovic (under its powers to give a direction to any person, including detention, for the interests of public safety - ie he can't go to Melbourne Park unvaccinated because it "endangers" public safety). PS. I am not debating the merits of any of this - trying to stick to information useful for trading. Just be aware today is unlikely to be the end (unless Djokovic loses court case, and Australian Border Force tries to put him on plane straight back - and Djokovic fails in an urgent injunction - all ifs and buts).

[Trader Pat]

Back in November the PM opened the door to unvaccinated players if they served 2 weeks quarantine but then Victoria’s Premier closed that door very quickly and said all players would have to be vaccinated so there's definitely a bit of local versus federal politics at play. Not sure what's happened and who said what since then!

I hope he plays too but he'll probably get a brutal reception if he does.

That is one other aspect "in play" - pardon the pun. There is a possibility he wins his court case today (and either side will probably appeal in any case whatever the result) and the tournament admits him (given public comments by Tennis Australia thus far), but the Victorian Government and in particular its Premier comes over the top and prevents him from playing. There are multiple ways of doing this - including by preventing him from entering Melbourne Park (the site of the tournament) or using the public health powers (that interestingly the Victorian Parliament passed into legislation at the end of last year) to detain Djokovic (under its powers to give a direction to any person, including detention, for the interests of public safety - ie he can't go to Melbourne Park unvaccinated because it "endangers" public safety). PS. I am not debating the merits of any of this - trying to stick to information useful for trading. Just be aware today is unlikely to be the end (unless Djokovic loses court case, and Australian Border Force tries to put him on plane straight back - and Djokovic fails in an urgent injunction - all ifs and buts).

Thanks for clearing that up Gaz

[jamesg46]

It’s certainly a new way of trading Tennis… who would of thought the “court” would throw up this opportunity.

[gazuty]

It’s certainly a new way of trading Tennis… who would of thought the “court” would throw up this opportunity.

Ha - that got a verbal chuckle James.

PS well done on finding that youtube link - but I suspect it will be shut down or disabled, (IMHO contempt of court for anyone to rebroadcast and clear direction on the main court site not to do so).

[jamesg46]

It’s certainly a new way of trading Tennis… who would of thought the “court” would throw up this opportunity.

Ha - that got a verbal chuckle James.

PS well done on finding that youtube link - but I suspect it will be shut down or disabled, (IMHO contempt of court for anyone to rebroadcast and clear direction on the main court site not to do so).

Possibly! It’s become quite the thing recently tbh. I’ve watched a few big recent court cases on YT. I suspect you’re right about the lack of understanding from the court(s) about mirrored tech.

[greenmark]

This Djok issue has occupied my thoughts all day, even through my FA Cup stuff.
I have concluded he is completely wrong in his anti-vax stance (anti or ambivalent).
Vaccinaction is brilliant. When the Mayor of London says 90% of people hospitalised with Covid are un-vaccinated, what other evidence do you need?
Statistically, with 90% of the population single vaxed and 60% boosted you could reasonably expect a much higher % of vaxxed people in hospital.
It's a slam-dunk that vaccination works.
So why does one of the apex sports persons think its a bad idea? And why are are his ideas given credance above those of the global medical and scientific community?
Last I heard his talent was hitting a ball across a net.

[gazuty]

This Djok issue has occupied my thoughts all day, even through my FA Cup stuff.
I have concluded he is completely wrong in his anti-vax stance (anti or ambivalent).
Vaccinaction is brilliant. When the Mayor of London says 90% of people hospitalised with Covid are un-vaccinated, what other evidence do you need?
Statistically, with 90% of the population single vaxed and 60% boosted you could reasonably expect a much higher % of vaxxed people in hospital.
It's a slam-dunk that vaccination works.
So why does one of the apex sports persons think its a bad idea? And why are are his ideas given credance above those of the global medical and scientific community?
Last I heard his talent was hitting a ball across a net.

I don't want to go down the rabbit hold and have this become (another) thread about covid rather than about the trading opportunities.

Clearly humans are amazing and vaccines are one of the more amazing things that humans have achieved.

Invidual circumstances and responses might vary and anyone hesitant about a vaccine should discuss what they should do with their own doctor.

This is worth a listen if you want a deep dive into the science - https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-curre ... e-omicron/

[greenmark]

This Djok issue has occupied my thoughts all day, even through my FA Cup stuff.
I have concluded he is completely wrong in his anti-vax stance (anti or ambivalent).
Vaccinaction is brilliant. When the Mayor of London says 90% of people hospitalised with Covid are un-vaccinated, what other evidence do you need?
Statistically, with 90% of the population single vaxed and 60% boosted you could reasonably expect a much higher % of vaxxed people in hospital.
It's a slam-dunk that vaccination works.
So why does one of the apex sports persons think its a bad idea? And why are are his ideas given credance above those of the global medical and scientific community?
Last I heard his talent was hitting a ball across a net.

I don't want to go down the rabbit hold and have this become (another) thread about covid rather than about the trading opportunities.

Clearly humans are amazing and vaccines are one of the more amazing things that humans have achieved.

Invidual circumstances and responses might vary and anyone hesitant about a vaccine should discuss what they should do with their own doctor.

This is worth a listen if you want a deep dive into the science - https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-curre ... e-omicron/

Ah yes. Fair point. I did open up that covid wound didn't I? Apologies to all. But it's a situation where you have to speak your mind. Thats my feeble defence.

[Trader Pat]

This Djok issue has occupied my thoughts all day, even through my FA Cup stuff.
I have concluded he is completely wrong in his anti-vax stance (anti or ambivalent).
Vaccinaction is brilliant. When the Mayor of London says 90% of people hospitalised with Covid are un-vaccinated, what other evidence do you need?
Statistically, with 90% of the population single vaxed and 60% boosted you could reasonably expect a much higher % of vaxxed people in hospital.
It's a slam-dunk that vaccination works.
So why does one of the apex sports persons think its a bad idea? And why are are his ideas given credance above those of the global medical and scientific community?
Last I heard his talent was hitting a ball across a net.

I don't want to go down the rabbit hold and have this become (another) thread about covid rather than about the trading opportunities.

Clearly humans are amazing and vaccines are one of the more amazing things that humans have achieved.

Invidual circumstances and responses might vary and anyone hesitant about a vaccine should discuss what they should do with their own doctor.

This is worth a listen if you want a deep dive into the science - https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-curre ... e-omicron/

Ah yes. Fair point. I did open up that covid wound didn't I? Apologies to all. But it's a situation where have to speak your mind. Thats my feeble defence.

I think some of it is geographical, only 45% of Serbs are fully vaxed compared to 90% of Australians so Djokovic might be just towing the party line if you like. I'm not sure how many decisions Novak even makes for himself, his old man seems to be overbearing and its probably easier to agree with him than disagree and Jelena is an even bigger fruit loop believing in 5g conspiracies etc..

Maybe we've misjudged Novak? Maybe he's a normie trapped in a family of loons! FREE NOVAK!

Medvedev was another who refused to confirm his vaccine status. The Russian Tennis Federation had to confirm that he was Sputniked in order for him to play So he's probably happy all the spotlight is on Novak.

[greenmark]

I don't want to go down the rabbit hold and have this become (another) thread about covid rather than about the trading opportunities.

Clearly humans are amazing and vaccines are one of the more amazing things that humans have achieved.

Invidual circumstances and responses might vary and anyone hesitant about a vaccine should discuss what they should do with their own doctor.

This is worth a listen if you want a deep dive into the science - https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-curre ... e-omicron/

Ah yes. Fair point. I did open up that covid wound didn't I? Apologies to all. But it's a situation where have to speak your mind. Thats my feeble defence.

I think some of it is geographical, only 45% of Serbs are fully vaxed compared to 90% of Australians so Djokovic might be just towing the party line if you like. I'm not sure how many decisions Novak even makes for himself, his old man seems to be overbearing and its probably easier to agree with him than disagree and Jelena is an even bigger fruit loop believing in 5g conspiracies etc..

Maybe we've misjudged Novak? Maybe he's a normie trapped in a family of loons! FREE NOVAK!

Medvedev was another who refused to confirm his vaccine status. The Russian Tennis Federation had to confirm that he was Sputniked in order for him to play So he's probably happy all the spotlight is on Novak.

That "FREE NOVAK" sequence made me chortle. Nice one!

[gazuty]

Medvedev was another who refused to confirm his vaccine status.

Very interesting Pat.

Plus the Russian (and the Chinese) vaccines are not recognised by the relevant Australian government body for vaccines - ATAGI - and as a result persons vaccinated with those vaccines are not eligible for entry into Australia.

[gazuty]

Looks like court website has crashed, may be back to Jame's youtube.

[Trader Pat]

Medvedev was another who refused to confirm his vaccine status.

Very interesting Pat.

Plus the Russian (and the Chinese) vaccines are not recognised by the relevant Australian government body for vaccines - ATAGI - and as a result persons vaccinated with those vaccines are not eligible for entry into Australia.

Exactly

There are so many threads to this story.

[gazuty]

Plus the Russian (and the Chinese) vaccines are not recognised by the relevant Australian government body for vaccines - ATAGI - and as a result persons vaccinated with those vaccines are not eligible for entry into Australia.

Actually, maybe the Chinese one is approved -

"Currently, TGA approved or recognised COVID-19 vaccinations are:

Comirnaty (Pfizer)
Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca)
Covishield (AstraZeneca)
Spikevax (Moderna)
Takeda (Moderna)
Janssen-Cilag (Johnson & Johnson)
Coronavac (Sinovac)
BBIBP-CorV (Sinopharm) (under 60 years)
Covaxin (Bharat Biotech)"