Ukraine Crisis

[Derek27]

Putin doesn't drink much but apparently, he loves ice cream. Give him the world's finest and at least he's got an excuse for calling off the war and getting what he wants.

https://www.mashed.com/117506/vladimir- ... ally-eats/

[greenmark]

Problem for Putin and everybody else is how does he back himself out of this corner without losing face?

Y, he needs an exit. But you would think negotiators would understand that.

The wheels have come off ALL his initial plans, and I agree he's got to somehow come away with something or he's finished

That's why I think the whole reason for upping his Nuclear alert status simply boils down to putting pressure on the west to give him an exit strategy and something to back off with - and if they won't call his bluff if he'll deploy them anywhere or just go gung-ho and level many parts of Ukraine out of frustration!

When you look at how the Cuban missile crisis it included a hidden concession from the US to pull missiles out of Turkey which were never disclosed publicly at the time - the problem is the later won't apply here and I can't see what the Ukraine and the west can publicly concede for him to walk away

The concession would be for Ukraine to declare itself a neutral state. In exchange for withdrawa of Russian forces. Perhaps at the expense of Luhansk/Donetsk. But both those regions are Russian anyway. What puzzles me now, is where is the well-developed detante and diplomacy.

[wearthefoxhat]

Problem for Putin and everybody else is how does he back himself out of this corner without losing face?

Y, he needs an exit. But you would think negotiators would understand that.

The wheels have come off ALL his initial plans, and I agree he's got to somehow come away with something or he's finished

That's why I think the whole reason for upping his Nuclear alert status simply boils down to putting pressure on the west to give him an exit strategy and something to back off with - and if they won't call his bluff if he'll deploy them anywhere or just go gung-ho and level many parts of Ukraine out of frustration!

When you look at how the Cuban missile crisis it included a hidden concession from the US to pull missiles out of Turkey which were never disclosed publicly at the time - the problem is the later won't apply here and I can't see what the Ukraine and the west can publicly concede for him to walk away

The only exit plan where Puta Putin can save face, will likely come from China/India. The West have seemingly made their minds up to extricate him and are totting up the war crimes against him on every civilian that gets killed.

Interest rates being increased to 20% won't cut it, They'll be pushing their roubles around in wheelbarrows next.

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[Trader Pat]

Y, he needs an exit. But you would think negotiators would understand that.

The wheels have come off ALL his initial plans, and I agree he's got to somehow come away with something or he's finished

That's why I think the whole reason for upping his Nuclear alert status simply boils down to putting pressure on the west to give him an exit strategy and something to back off with - and if they won't call his bluff if he'll deploy them anywhere or just go gung-ho and level many parts of Ukraine out of frustration!

When you look at how the Cuban missile crisis it included a hidden concession from the US to pull missiles out of Turkey which were never disclosed publicly at the time - the problem is the later won't apply here and I can't see what the Ukraine and the west can publicly concede for him to walk away

The concession would be for Ukraine to declare itself a neutral state. In exchange for withdrawa of Russian forces. Perhaps at the expense of Luhansk/Donetsk. But both those regions are Russian anyway. What puzzles me now, is where is the well-developed detante and diplomacy.

That's how I see it. He'll have a list of unrealistic demands but will want something tangible not just promises.

If peace is reached as soon as Russia withdraws there'll be a rush to join NATO for any country sharing a border with them.

[Realrocknrolla]

If peace is reached as soon as Russia withdraws there'll be a rush to join NATO for any country sharing a border with them

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[Dallas]

The wheels have come off ALL his initial plans, and I agree he's got to somehow come away with something or he's finished

That's why I think the whole reason for upping his Nuclear alert status simply boils down to putting pressure on the west to give him an exit strategy and something to back off with - and if they won't call his bluff if he'll deploy them anywhere or just go gung-ho and level many parts of Ukraine out of frustration!

When you look at how the Cuban missile crisis it included a hidden concession from the US to pull missiles out of Turkey which were never disclosed publicly at the time - the problem is the later won't apply here and I can't see what the Ukraine and the west can publicly concede for him to walk away

The concession would be for Ukraine to declare itself a neutral state. In exchange for withdrawa of Russian forces. Perhaps at the expense of Luhansk/Donetsk. But both those regions are Russian anyway. What puzzles me now, is where is the well-developed detante and diplomacy.

That's how I see it. He'll have a list of unrealistic demands but will want something tangible not just promises.

If peace is reached as soon as Russia withdraws there'll be a rush to join NATO for any country sharing a border with them.

Ukraine demanding to become an immediate member of the EU earlier today doesn't help that - unless it is all part of what is to come?

ie, A concession to drop imminent EU membership and become a neutral state would be seen as a bit of a 'win' for Putin

[Realrocknrolla]

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[Trader Pat]

The concession would be for Ukraine to declare itself a neutral state. In exchange for withdrawa of Russian forces. Perhaps at the expense of Luhansk/Donetsk. But both those regions are Russian anyway. What puzzles me now, is where is the well-developed detante and diplomacy.

That's how I see it. He'll have a list of unrealistic demands but will want something tangible not just promises.

If peace is reached as soon as Russia withdraws there'll be a rush to join NATO for any country sharing a border with them.

Ukraine demanding to become an immediate member of the EU earlier today doesn't help that - unless it is all part of what is to come?

ie, A concession to drop imminent EU membership and become a neutral state would be seen as a bit of a 'win' for Putin

That seemed more like a desperate cry for help rather than a genuine desire to join the EU.

I think its a non starter anyway. One of the conditions to join is having a stable democracy so that probably rules out membership for now.

[Derek27]

The Russian ambassador to the UN security council accidentally referred to what's going on in Ukraine as war, before back-tracking and calling it special operations.

[Archery1969]

I cant imagine Alexander Bortnikov is going to allow Putin to continue too much longer, Russia standing in the world is fast becoming worse than North Korea.

[Realrocknrolla]

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I cant imagine Alexander Bortnikov is going to allow Putin to continue too much longer, Russia standing in the world is fast becoming worse than North Korea.

[Archery1969]

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I cant imagine Alexander Bortnikov is going to allow Putin to continue too much longer, Russia standing in the world is fast becoming worse than North Korea.

[Kai]

You don't have to be a top trader to spot the pattern here. (Hint : it's not pattern baldness, don't be a smartarse )

[Archery1969]

Could be the end for Kyiv tonight as there is a 17 mile convoy of Russian tanks and Ariliary on its way there.

[Derek27]

The farmer was towing the tank off his land! They do get stroppy with trespassers.