In-play Trader

[Tuco]

As it says in the name the In-play trader is designed for just that - the ability to quickly place back or lay bets when the opportunity presents itself in the heat of the live action.

Just looking at the box now, there is a large space (fixed number of characters) after the left justified selection names and before the finishing post in a market I'm just looking at.

1) Could the selection names be right justified up against the finishing post rather than left justified and some distance from it in the case of short names? If not, could dot leaders be added to the area after the selection name to help line up the odds lines which follow the finishing post? Or could the finishing post be 'moveable' to cut down on the wasted space after the displayed names? (Or could the width of the market selection names be made to 'fit' the longest name in the market rather than just a fixed number of characters?)

2) This one I'd really like to see added. Rather than have to locate the selection, then move the cursor to the odds line to place the back/lay bets, how about having the option (within settings with the default setting being 'OFF'), to make the slection name ACTIVE, so for all of the options other than 'Price based on mouse position', left clicking the selection name would place a back bet and right clicking the selection name would place a lay bet (when Left-click Back, Right-click Lay staking option is selected). This would really speed up the ability to place bets in the heat of ther action.

3) Is there any way multiple In-play Trader screens could be used across several markets, in a similar way to the excellent spawning of the one-click and ladder screens for multiple markets.

Thanks in advance for considereing these suggestions BA

[Tuco]

I've just seen that the In-play Trader names are in fact already active and can be used to place back or lay bets!

Perhaps the selection name could become highlighted (bold or blue?) when the mouse is over any area that is active on that selection?

Maybe there could be a new 'In-play Trader' tab in settings to allow editing of the In-play Trader screen as you can with the Ladder screen?

The In-play Trader screen uses the stake settings as set on the One-click screen (that's fine), but it automatically uses the global settings rather than act in the same way as the One-click screen does - ie if the settings cog is checked on the One-click screen it doesn't uses the global settings yet the In-play Trader screen still does by default - imo it would be better if the In-play Trader screen did the same as the One-click screen regarding using/not using the global settings.

[Tuco]

I've also just noticed that the 'Custom ticks outside best market price' seems to back/lay INSIDE the best market price and the 'Custom ticks inside best market price' seems to back/lay OUTSIDE the best market price - or have I got that wrong?

I would have thought that 'Custom ticks OUTSIDE best market price' would place back bets at odds longer than the best back price available and place lay bets at odds shorter than the best lay price available and that 'Custom ticks INSIDE best market price' would place back bets at odds shorter than the best back price available and place lay bets at odds longer than the best lay price available?

[Tuco]

...in addition to the above suggestions, please could we have the following added to the In-play Trader sorting drop-down list:

Sort by First Name (Ascending)
Sort by First Name (Descending)
Sort by Last Name (Ascending)
Sort by Last Name (Descending)

and/or if it can sort to duplicate any sorting already done on the main One-click screen that would also be excellent (it currently uses the back/lay stakes set in the main One-click screen so this should be possible)

...as always, thanking you in advance BA

[Tuco]

A question for Dallas (or anyone else )

The In-play trader takes it's stakes and staking method from the One-click screen settings - does it also observe all the other global settings by default, irrespective of whether the global settings cog is checked or unchecked in the One-click screen?

ie Place fill or kill bets? Offset bet (or other options)? Offset ticks? Offset batches? Stop trigger (ticks)?

Thanks in advance

[wearthefoxhat]

A question for Dallas (or anyone else )

The In-play trader takes it's stakes and staking method from the One-click screen settings - does it also observe all the other global settings by default, irrespective of whether the global settings cog is checked or unchecked in the One-click screen?

ie Place fill or kill bets? Offset bet (or other options)? Offset ticks? Offset batches? Stop trigger (ticks)?

Thanks in advance

The global setting cog needs to be activated so the IP trader can use all those options you mention.

If not, it defaults to the one click screen "All" stake, back or lay.

[Tuco]

As well as sorting by the additional first and last names mentioned above, sorting by P&L would be welcome sorting additions to the above:

Sort by First Name (Ascending)
Sort by First Name (Descending)
Sort by Last Name (Ascending)
Sort by Last Name (Descending)
Sort by P&L (Ascending)
Sort by P&L (Descending)

...and also adding

Custom ticks inside best REVERSE market price
Custom ticks outside best REVERSE market price

would be welcome additions to the in-play Trader odds setting choices - all of which you can already do on the one-click screen and ladder

[Tuco]

I've just seen that the In-play Trader names are in fact already active and can be used to place back or lay bets!

Perhaps the selection name could become highlighted (bold or blue?) when the mouse is over any area that is active on that selection?

Maybe there could be a new 'In-play Trader' tab in settings to allow editing of the In-play Trader screen as you can with the Ladder screen?

The In-play Trader screen uses the stake settings as set on the One-click screen (that's fine), but it automatically uses the global settings rather than act in the same way as the One-click screen does - ie if the settings cog is checked on the One-click screen it doesn't uses the global settings yet the In-play Trader screen still does by default - imo it would be better if the In-play Trader screen did the same as the One-click screen regarding using/not using the global settings.

The One-click screen puts a rectangle around the active cell which is a good visual warning and something similar would be most welcome to the In-play Trader screen - the selection name simply being highlighted (and enlargened) in bold black or bold blue would be great

[Tuco]

...if not a rectangle around the active selection cell, then perhaps the in-play trader selection name could become bold (before you've clicked) when you are in that selection cell just to visually confirm that you are in the correct active cell - alternatively if the entire cell could highlight in a colour that would be another way to highlight the active selection cell (as happens in the Dutching and Bookmaking tabs with the 'Clear' and Place Bets' cells - the cells are coloured when the mouse is over them to show they are active) and help avoid any mistakes - yes it shows the active cell at the screen bottom but that's too far away from your focus to look away from and return in the heat of the battle!

[Tuco]

It would be most useful if the following could be added to the drop-down options in the In-play Trader:

Custom ticks inside best REVERSE market price
Custom ticks outside best REVERSE market price

In the Servant Parameter drop-down options we already have:

Custom ticks above best reverse market price
Custom ticks below best reverse market price

and there are many more that would also be most useful to have in the In-play Trader drop-down options.

[Tuco]

I'm hoping this suggestion could still be considered for the next BA update. It is true that the selection is shown right at the bottom of the in-play trader screen, but if there are 40 or more selections that might be a long way from the selection name you're about to click on, losing valuable time.

"The One-click screen puts a rectangle around the active cell which is a good visual warning and something similar would be most welcome to the In-play Trader screen - the selection name simply being highlighted (and enlargened) in bold black or bold blue would be great "

"...if not a rectangle around the active selection cell, then perhaps the in-play trader selection name could become bold (before you've clicked) when you are in that selection cell just to visually confirm that you are in the correct active cell - alternatively if the entire cell could highlight in a colour that would be another way to highlight the active selection cell (as happens in the Dutching and Bookmaking tabs with the 'Clear' and Place Bets' cells - the cells are coloured when the mouse is over them to show they are active) and help avoid any mistakes - yes it shows the active cell at the screen bottom but that's too far away from your focus to look away from and return in the heat of the battle!"

[Tuco]

...also another update would be to have separate parameters for back bets and lay bets as follows:

currently we have options:
Custom ticks inside best market price
Custom ticks outside best market price
Custom ticks inside (skip gaps)
Custom ticks outside (skip gap)

better still options would be:
Custom ticks inside best market price (back bet)
Custom ticks inside best market price (lay bet)
Custom ticks outside best market price (back bet)
Custom ticks outside best market price (lay bet)
Custom ticks inside (skip gaps) (back bet)
Custom ticks inside (skip gaps) (lay bet)
Custom ticks outside (skip gap) (back bet)
Custom ticks outside (skip gap) (lay bet)

I often want to back using more ticks in the outside best market back price than I would want to lay ticks outside best market lay price - these options would make that possibility possible

[Tuco]

...and yet another in-play trader update option suggestion is as follows:

with the cursor on the selection name (preferably a highlighted coloured rectangle) that you want to back and using the stakes as on the one-click screen and the number of ticks outside the best market back price, a single left click would back your chosen selection AND a single right click would lay all of the other selections using the stakes as on the one-click screen and the number of ticks outside the best market lay price, proportionally staking the other selections in the same way that the Bookmaking tab does.

In-play Trader - time is of the essence!

Hope that makes sense to someone

[Dabbla]

The One-click screen puts a rectangle around the active cell which is a good visual warning and something similar would be most welcome to the In-play Trader screen.

This isn’t the best example but you can see that the horses @ 1000 are blacked out. Similar could be achieved via a servant to highlight selected runners.

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The In-play Trader screen uses the stake settings as set on the One-click screen (that's fine), but it automatically uses the global settings rather than act in the same way as the One-click screen does - ie if the settings cog is checked on the One-click screen it doesn't uses the global settings yet the In-play Trader screen still does by default - imo it would be better if the In-play Trader screen did the same as the One-click screen regarding using/not using the global settings.

I agree.


I have noticed you have a lot of good ideas. You should really experiment with servants. Then try and put some of your ideas in to practice. Your "Show last traded volume" idea for example. That would be quite easy to achieve. You can also add the colours and make it look nice.

[Tuco]

Many thanks for your replies Dabbla. It is thinking outside of the box that earns me my money!

Your example with the blacked out odds is not what I was meaning.

When using the ticks outside the best market price (skip gaps) option, all I was wanting is when the mouse is hovered over the selection name, for the selection name to have a coloured rectangle around it to give full confidence that you are about to place bets on the correct selection rather than on an incorrect other selection. Yes the selection name is at the bottom of the In-play Trader column, but that is some distance from the top selection in a field of 40 or more and wastes valuable time looking down for confirmation. When using the One-click screen, the odds you are hovering over are highlighted with a blue border - this or similar is what I would like around the selection name in the In-play Trader and if the selected name can be emboldened and the box filled with a light colour, all the better. On the Ladder screen, every active cell is highlighted with a shaded colour when hovering on it. Even the 'Market Overview' screen puts thick blue rectangles around the title names at the top of the columns when you hover over them - this is so when clicked they will sort the overview in that order.

Also, my suggestion is that a left-click would BACK the highlighted selection (as it already does) and a right-click would 'Bookmake' LAY all of the other selections with a single right-click, in a similar way to the bookmaking tab, ie different stakes for laying the different odds for the different selections. Separate options for ticks outside the best market price (skip gaps) for back and lay are needed to achieve this as I might back at 50 ticks (skip gaps) outside the best back market price but only lay 5 ticks (skip gaps) outside the best lay market price. (Just be sure to do this on the correct selection!)

The new bet placement option in the drop-down would be:

"Left-click BACK current selection, Right-click LAY all other selections"

or better still:

"Left-click BACK current selection and LAY all other selections"

This would make the In-play Trader a very powerful in-play trading screen, whereas currently it is more or less just another way to place back or lay bets.

Oh just one more thing as the Lieutenant would say, in the In-play Trader settings, could we possibly have row spacings of 18 and 20 added to the drop-down list to allow more selections into a single view on a screen.

Thanking you in advance