Ukraine Crisis

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jamesg46
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:09 pm
Maybe Erdogan's initative works.
Donbas becomes Russian.
Crimea ditto.
Ukraine commits to neurtality.
De-nazification - ie Ukrainian commitment to rid the their country of these appaling scum.

All good so far.

Then demilitarization. Erm. So you want us to dispose of the tools that stopped you from sweeping across the country.
Tricky!
Or am I missing something?
Ukraine imo will be split up into 3 or 4 segments. It’ll never be the same Ukraine that we know of now. It’s obvious that the west doesn’t have an appetite to take on the east, it’s also obvious that Ukraine can’t and isn’t winning, given Zelensky is begging for peace talks.

Poland will bite for a piece of Ukraine, you can do your own research as to why.

The only thing that will remain in the Ukraine we know is the Nazi faction of it & I pray the Russians wipe them out.
Archery1969
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I fully support Ukraine 100% and am 100% against Russia and everything it stands for, always have been and always will be.

Big Russian superpower my backside, they now in the same shit they were in during the 1980s.

- Troops can’t or don’t want to take orders on the ground.
- Have no control of Ukraine airspace.
- Farmers are towing their tanks and rocket launchers.
- Convinced their troops they were going on exercise.
- Lost 5 generals on the battlefield.
- Incinerating dead Russian soldiers so don’t have to explain all the losses.
- Using analogue communication equipment which is unheard of in a modern military force.
- Russian FSB told Ukraine president on 3 occasions to relocate due to Spetzdogs looking for him.

Seems to me that their military can’t tie there own shoelaces. It’s laughable and very funny.

Any muppet on this forum that supports Putin and the Kremlin is an enemy of the west and should be reported to the police and have his life turned upside down.

I am sure it won’t be long before someone on this forum has their IP / MAC address traced or BetAngel gets asked to hand over subscription details.

Already passed on multiple posts from this thread to several newspapers, police and my local MP.

If nothing else it shows what late night muppets you get on here that are associated with gambling sites.
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napshnap
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:10 am
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Any muppet on this forum that supports Putin and the Kremlin is an enemy of the west and should be reported to the police and have his life turned upside down.

I am sure it won’t be long before someone on this forum has their IP / MAC address traced or BetAngel gets asked to hand over subscription details.

Already passed on multiple posts from this thread to several newspapers, police and my local MP.
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Congratulations, comrade Archery. You made joseph s. very happy and proud.

It makes me a litle bit sad, that the west had no historical opportunity to get "vaccinated" against this etatistic totalitarian shit. Don't go this way. You really don't understand what you are playing with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... - read it every damn morning, Archery, squeeze a slave out of yourself drop by drop..

upd. Also, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJLGpfnX34.

upd2. Kai, please, don't make a joke about this wikipedia article's title.
Trader Pat
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My money is on this war/invasion being over within a month or two when Zelensky gives Putin what he wants. He's already conceded that Ukraine will not join NATO; he's said there's no chance they'll recognise the annexation of Crimea or the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk but the cold hard truth is they're in a war they can't win. Weapons and hand-wringing from the west aren't enough to stop the Russians and sanctions will take months to have maximum effect. Give it another few weeks of Ukrainian civilians getting blown to bits and Zelensky will have to come to the table, unless of course he's as big a narcissist as Putin.
greenmark
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Maybe Ukraine should agree to the demands. In theory Putin goes in 2024. The question is whether he is replaced by someone with the same approach.
If Russia becomes more democratic and moderate there is hope that the people of Crimea and Donbas could be allowed to decide for themselves who to align with.
But as a result of the comments on this forum I've read a fair bit and its true that Ukraine has a neo-nazi problem.
And I've always believed that Nazi-ism is a minority view but is very dangerous and cannot be allowed to flourish. I put Nazi-ism alongside stalinesque totalitarian socialism and "islamic" fanaticism as the most repugnant of ideologies.
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I don't think they have much choice other than agree to the demands. Zelensky is riding a wave of popularity right now but that will change the longer this war goes on. Ordinary Ukrainians especially those living in the west of the country will just want to go home while there's still a home left and they won't really care about ceding two pro Russian territories in the east.

I think the whole Nazi thing is well overblown. There are factions within the military but its not as widespread as Putin has let on. The American government under Trump had more links to the far right than this Ukrainian government does.
greenmark
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Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:37 pm
I don't think they have much choice other than agree to the demands. Zelensky is riding a wave of popularity right now but that will change the longer this war goes on. Ordinary Ukrainians especially those living in the west of the country will just want to go home while there's still a home left and they won't really care about ceding two pro Russian territories in the east.

I think the whole Nazi thing is well overblown. There are factions within the military but its not as widespread as Putin has let on. The American government under Trump had more links to the far right than this Ukrainian government does.
It may be overblown and I accept it's not unique to Ukraine by any means. And also Putin is milking it as a justification for invasion. But history tells us that you ignore this particular minority at your peril.
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Kai
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Russian rocket strikes a "military target" in Dergachi, Kharkiv. Let that image sink in for a moment.

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alexmr2
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napshnap wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:56 am

It makes me a litle bit sad, that the west had no historical opportunity to get "vaccinated" against this etatistic totalitarian shit. Don't go this way. You really don't understand what you are playing with.
Agenda Problem Reaction Solution

Agenda:
The western economy is broken with unsustainable money printing.

Problem introduced:
A super deadly virus and war that requires money to be spent on.

Reaction:
"All of our money was spent, but it was for a good cause."

Solution:
The economy will be reset with a digital currency and Chinese-style social credit system.


Agenda Problem Reaction Solution

Agenda:
Change the behaviour of people to reduce holidays abroad and private vehicle ownership from consuming finite resources.

Problem introduced:
A super deadly virus, use strong emotional TV programming to induce fear and confusion.

Reaction:
"We must stop those dangerous people spreading viruses by travelling!"

Solution:
Make the travelling process expensive and cumbersome.


Agenda Problem Reaction Solution

Agenda:
Bring in totalitarian control to prevent a revolt.

Problem:
War, use strong emotional TV programming to induce fear.

Reaction:
"We must stop those dangerous people spreading misinformation which does not agree with the one-sided narrative!"

Solution:
Bring in legislation to criminalise free speech and allow big tech companies to censor individuals and alternative media platforms.


Agenda Problem Reaction Solution

Agenda:
How do we get people to accept a digital ID and social credit system?

Problem:
Introduce a super deadly virus which kills the same number of people as the flu, but over-report it on the TV to send a strong emotional message which induces fear in the population.

Reaction:
"We must stop those dangerous unvaccinated people from putting lives at risk!"

Solution:
Introduce vaccine > vaccine passport > digital ID and then social credit one stage at a time so people accept that it's for their safety.
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Derek27
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Kai wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:49 pm
Russian rocket strikes a "military target" in Dergachi, Kharkiv. Let that image sink in for a moment.
Is that a missile that failed to explode? It does look odd having a bathroom sink in the kitchen!
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Kai
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:31 pm
Kai wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:49 pm
Russian rocket strikes a "military target" in Dergachi, Kharkiv. Let that image sink in for a moment.
Is that a missile that failed to explode? It does look odd having a bathroom sink in the kitchen!
It appears so. Not tuned into the war for a few days, something that seemed impossible at first, and that was practically the first image I saw :shock:
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Kai
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Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:42 am
My money is on this war/invasion being over within a month or two when Zelensky gives Putin what he wants.
Not so sure Pat, it could take much longer. The Ukrainian army has formed a new special Agricultural Division which is going to be very difficult to beat, they are reportedly very well equipped.

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alexmr2
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Kai wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:49 pm
Russian rocket strikes a "military target" in Dergachi, Kharkiv. Let that image sink in for a moment.

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Good photoshop, they even managed to get the reflection in the mirror.

Just kidding, it's obviously not a photoshop but a real PVC pipe painted grey and brown to give the added effect of rust.

Just kidding, it's actually a real picture of an unexploded missile taken during WW2 in 1944
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Kai
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Wow, some of these stories and reports are so ridiculous that they are probably true. "Ukrainian babushka kills 8 Russian soldiers by giving them poisoned pastries."

I should probably get back to football 🤦‍♂️
greenmark
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Kai wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:12 pm
Wow, some of these stories and reports are so ridiculous that they are probably true. "Ukrainian babushka kills 8 Russian soldiers by giving them poisoned pastries."

I should probably get back to football 🤦‍♂️
Is there a credible source for that quote?
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