Ukraine Crisis

[Derek27]

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Only on Putin's side. Russia's lost 50,000 lies, the West has lost 150.

[Derek27]

GCHQ's been listening in on high-level communications in Russia. The claim in tomorrow's papers is that Putin's top brass has been lying to him because they're too afraid to tell him how bad the war's going and he's now sacked 8 generals, in addition to the ones shot dead.

[Derek27]

A Ukrainian swore at Putin, in Ukrainian, and they bleep it out!! Заради біса

[Derek27]

Gotta say, Putin knows how to play his cards… not just right, but at the best time too.

James plays poker online with his best mate, Vladimir, and loses every time. Hopefully by the time Saturday comes around this post will be on the third page.

[SteadySlobbin]

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I was thinking exactly the same thing.

How come you changed your forum name from jameegray1 ? Did you not want to risk getting confused with JamesG ?!

[Kai]

Civilians having to drive through a minefield : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIL27AoTTAU

[Derek27]

A general has been named as the butcher of Mariupol, ordering the shelling of the theatre and maternity hospital. When Putin fires him and he's exiled from Russia, he could be the first to be charged with war crimes.

[jamesg46]

This guy Corbyn knew NATO were/are poking the bear 8 years ago, with their expand east agenda & the west have/had no moral high ground… pretty much what I’ve said and how I feel. Shame he’s not the leader of the opposition anymore.

https://youtu.be/KS8QH2eG6uk

Btw, Putin knows how to play his cards & play them at the right time but of course most will believe that he just woke up and forgot to take his meds one day.

[greenmark]

This guy Corbyn knew NATO were/are poking the bear 8 years ago, with their expand east agenda & the west have/had no moral high ground… pretty much what I’ve said and how I feel. Shame he’s not the leader of the opposition anymore.

https://youtu.be/KS8QH2eG6uk

Btw, Putin knows how to play his cards & play them at the right time but of course most will believe that he just woke up and forgot to take his meds one day.

Is there a Treaty that prevents ex-USSR countries jooing Nato? All I've found is reports of assurances and some comments reported in the media. They amount to diddly-squat. Treaties signed off by the appropriate respective representives matter.
Anything else is just hot air.
And moreover, which of Nato and Russia has poured into Ukraine and destroyed Mariupol and displaced millions and rained misery and terror on the civilian population? Putin wasn't poked at all. He's done it all himself and set Europe back 40 years.

[Derek27]

This guy Corbyn knew NATO were/are poking the bear 8 years ago, with their expand east agenda & the west have/had no moral high ground… pretty much what I’ve said and how I feel. Shame he’s not the leader of the opposition anymore.

https://youtu.be/KS8QH2eG6uk

Btw, Putin knows how to play his cards & play them at the right time but of course most will believe that he just woke up and forgot to take his meds one day.

Is there a Treaty that prevents ex-USSR countries jooing Nato? All I've found is reports of assurances and some comments reported in the media. They amount to diddly-squat. Treaties signed off by the appropriate respective representives matter.
Anything else is just hot air.
And moreover, which of Nato and Russia has poured into Ukraine and destroyed Mariupol and displaced millions and rained misery and terror on the civilian population? Putin wasn't poked at all. He's done it all himself and set Europe back 40 years.

I guess it's quite complex but I believe two of the requirements are that it has to be democratic and have the unanimous approval of every Nato member.

[Derek27]

This guy Corbyn knew NATO were/are poking the bear 8 years ago, with their expand east agenda & the west have/had no moral high ground… pretty much what I’ve said and how I feel. Shame he’s not the leader of the opposition anymore.

https://youtu.be/KS8QH2eG6uk

Btw, Putin knows how to play his cards & play them at the right time but of course most will believe that he just woke up and forgot to take his meds one day.

Blind people believe what's in front of them, sighted people look and see. Putin's forces are getting annihilated, troops sabotaging their own equiptment, shooting down their own aircrafts, withdrawing from Kyiv, 7 generals killed, 8 sacked, troups unprepared and didn't even know they were going to war. Russia on the verge of bankruptcy. That's playing his cards right?

[jamesg46]

This guy Corbyn knew NATO were/are poking the bear 8 years ago, with their expand east agenda & the west have/had no moral high ground… pretty much what I’ve said and how I feel. Shame he’s not the leader of the opposition anymore.

https://youtu.be/KS8QH2eG6uk

Btw, Putin knows how to play his cards & play them at the right time but of course most will believe that he just woke up and forgot to take his meds one day.

Blind people believe what's in front of them, sighted people look and see. Putin's forces are getting annihilated, troops sabotaging their own equiptment, shooting down their own aircrafts, withdrawing from Kyiv, 7 generals killed, 8 sacked, troups unprepared and didn't even know they were going to war. Russia on the verge of bankruptcy. That's playing his cards right?

Most of that could be factual or propaganda, I’m not sure & I’m not too fussed. Don’t think Russia are close to bankruptcy, have you not seen that the Ruble has pretty much recovered to pre invasion (for now at least).

The West’s sanctions based on the Rubles recovery have pretty much only effected the West, I mean it’s us that are paying the price through energy increases… companies that operate globally, such as those in the manufacturing industry will just move their production from the UK to somewhere Russia friendly, like China. That means UK jobs will be shipped off too. What’s the alternative for them? To just let go of 100s of millions in trade? I know of a company with a 10 billion a year turnover, 4% of that is Russian trade, there is absolutely no way that the fat cats will let that sort of money slip by.

The main reason for my comment about Putin playing his cards at the right time is because we have a leader of the free world that clearly isn’t functioning right & the leader of this country is a pissed up bumbling party animal… I think Putin spotted an opportunity there.

NATO evidently don’t seem to be prepared to take Russia on with boots on the ground which to me sends Russia a clear message that they’ve not yet crossed the West’s red line (which tbh I’m not where that would be placed based on the atrocious behaviour of the West), or we have no desire to go to war, probably because we all know that sort of escalation probably ends one way…

As for Russias “losses”, I’ve touched on this before in the thread. I’d guess that Russia held back more elite combat groups and equipment just Incase NATO did or does decide to respond with military action… he was never going to send the full might of the Russian military and leave mother Russia vulnerable… but we have to bear in mind that he has kept a significant convoy held back which suggests to me that this is probably a probing wave to test resolve and response from within Ukraine and that of the West.

I think we would be very naive to think that Russia expected to invade the vast lands of Ukraine and completely occupy it within a month, I mean look at the time we spent in Afghanistan and Afghanistan didn’t have NATO sending them military aid.

This ends politically & I’ll guess that Russia comes away with parts of Ukraine either independent or annexed. Either way Ukraine doesn’t seem to be in a position to gain anything from this tug of “war” between the East and West.

Just my opinion, I don’t watch MSM media a whole lot so I guess we’ll never see anything in the same way.

Have a nice day.

[Derek27]

I don’t watch MSM media a whole lot so I guess we’ll never see anything in the same way.

As a matter of interest, what channel do you get your news from?

[jamesedwards]

Putin's forces are getting annihilated, troops sabotaging their own equiptment, shooting down their own aircrafts, withdrawing from Kyiv, 7 generals killed, 8 sacked, troups unprepared and didn't even know they were going to war. Russia on the verge of bankruptcy. That's playing his cards right?

You need to take a lesson in propaganda and add a healthy dose of scepticism to your media consumption!

[Euler]