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sniffer66
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Is there a reason why "Every" isnt available for backing\laying at SP ?

I have a number of selections that have an "Enter" SV set, based on external data. But as I don't know which selections they will be I'd like to use an Every rule, with a condition that the SV is set for that runner.
The only way I can get around it at the moment is to create a separate rule per all possible runner positions i.e 1-25
Anbell
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sniffer66 wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:54 am
Is there a reason why "Every" isnt available for backing\laying at SP ?

I have a number of selections that have an "Enter" SV set, based on external data. But as I don't know which selections they will be I'd like to use an Every rule, with a condition that the SV is set for that runner.
The only way I can get around it at the moment is to create a separate rule per all possible runner positions i.e 1-25
+11 (I use ANY with 30 triggers, but isnt ideal)
Anbell
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sniffer66 wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:54 am
Is there a reason why "Every" isnt available for backing\laying at SP ?

I have a number of selections that have an "Enter" SV set, based on external data. But as I don't know which selections they will be I'd like to use an Every rule, with a condition that the SV is set for that runner.
The only way I can get around it at the moment is to create a separate rule per all possible runner positions i.e 1-25
+11 (I use ANY with 30 triggers, but isnt ideal)
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firlandsfarm
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Yes, I sometimes find I cannot use Every for a rule and have to set up an Any loop to cover up to 40 runners. It's not a pain and have never mentioned it before but as it's now part of a topic I thought I would break silence. :)

I've always assumed there is a coding reason because of the way BA works.
Anbell
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:56 am
Yes, I sometimes find I cannot use Every for a rule and have to set up an Any loop to cover up to 40 runners. It's not a pain and have never mentioned it before but as it's now part of a topic I thought I would break silence. :)

I've always assumed there is a coding reason because of the way BA works.
I think this one is just an oversight, but I might be wrong.
Anbell
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Another thing that would be handy for me is if we could use SP Limit to back to win a fixed amount. I know that is difficult because we dont have a price (yet) but if we could back to win say $100 at the current price we'd get close enough. Having only 'fixed stake' is definitely an issue for me (although i understand why it's the case)
weemac
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I'm needing it too. No apparent reason why we can't place SP bets on 'Every' selection.
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ShaunWhite
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Anbell wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:33 am
Another thing that would be handy for me is if we could use SP Limit to back to win a fixed amount. I know that is difficult because we dont have a price (yet) but if we could back to win say $100 at the current price we'd get close enough.
The way I handle bets with a stake that varies (sp or sp hedging dependant on exposure usually) can be simulated in BA I think. Ie store the price, stake and exposure when you place the bet, if the price moves by a given amount, or your exposure changes, compare that with your existing bet, and if the stake has changed by say, a quid or the side has, then cancel/replace the bet. You need thresholds on the change otherwise it amends it too often. Especially true near the start because if they go off mid cancek/replace you can get caught with your trousers down.

Basically keep cancelling/replacing as the price moves to adjust your stake.
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ShaunWhite
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weemac wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:43 am
I'm needing it too. No apparent reason why we can't place SP bets on 'Every' selection.
Excuse me if I'm being daft but why would you want to?
weemac
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:16 pm
weemac wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:43 am
I'm needing it too. No apparent reason why we can't place SP bets on 'Every' selection.
Excuse me if I'm being daft but why would you want to?
To back only the horses that meet my conditions at BFSP without leaving them sitting unmatched. Doing that doesn't cater for a minimum acceptable price.
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ShaunWhite
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weemac wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:39 pm

To back only the horses that meet my conditions at BFSP
Thx, Didn't spot conditions were involved :)
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ShaunWhite
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6yrs a user and I still don't get Any and Every. :roll:

Even the dictionary doesn't help:
Every always refers to the total number of something. Any refers to one, several or all of a total number
weemac
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I actually despise 'Any'. There was a lengthy discussion about it in the past. It shouldn't even exist, imo.

I use Every......

Every

time.
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jamesedwards
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weemac wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:25 pm
I actually despise 'Any'. There was a lengthy discussion about it in the past. It shouldn't even exist, imo.

I use Every......

Every

time.
'Any' saves time. If you want X to happen when any selection achieves Y condition; if you choose 'every' then Guardian will check through every single selection when it could have just stopped after it hit the first one.
weemac
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I don't want it to stop at the first time. I have some/several/many that need checking, as I'd imagine many other users also have.
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