Scalping Racing, bets cancelling when inplay starts

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Plumsta
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Hi All, new user here, apologies if this has already been asked but i could not find a thread on it.
I'm having issues with my unmatched bets being cancelled when the race starts. I have used "Keep unmatched Bets", have keep it "in play" but what ever i do it always cancels the unmatched bet on "in play" start.
Thanks in advance.
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Dallas
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What country are the races you are trading located?

Not all have in-play betting on horse racing so these bets will still get cancelled

and if its Greyhound racing they don't go in-play at all
Plumsta
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Hi Dallas, UK & IRE horses only
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Dallas
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Plumsta wrote:
Thu May 05, 2022 11:58 pm
Hi Dallas, UK & IRE horses only
All those go in-play so its definitely not that

Can you post the Bet Angel logs for a few of the races it hasn't worked on?

Logs are saved even if you've exited BA and this article shows how to locate your those saved logs
https://betangel.kayako.com/article/101 ... -log-files
Plumsta
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Thanks Dallas.
It wouldn't let me attach a file.

/05/2022 23:14:31: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.9. Fully matched at 4.9. Ref: 10325 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:31: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10326
5/05/2022 23:14:35: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5. Fully matched at 5. Ref: 10327 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:35: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.1. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10328
5/05/2022 23:14:38: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5. Fully matched at 5. Ref: 10329 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:38: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.1. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10330
5/05/2022 23:14:41: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.2. Fully matched at 5.2. Ref: 10331 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:41: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10332
5/05/2022 23:14:44: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.1. Fully matched at 5.1. Ref: 10333 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:44: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.2. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10334
5/05/2022 23:14:47: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.2. Fully matched at 5.2. Ref: 10335 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:47: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10336
5/05/2022 23:14:50: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.2. Fully matched at 5.2. Ref: 10337 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:50: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10338
5/05/2022 23:14:53: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.2. Fully matched at 5.2. Ref: 10339 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:14:53: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10340
5/05/2022 23:15:06: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 5. Fully matched at 5. Ref: 10341 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:15:06: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.9. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10342
5/05/2022 23:15:11: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.9. Fully matched at 4.9. Ref: 10343 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:15:11: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10344
5/05/2022 23:15:20: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.7. Fully matched at 4.7. Ref: 10345 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:15:20: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10346
5/05/2022 23:15:27: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Back bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.7. Fully matched at 4.7. Ref: 10347 ( Fill or kill bet with 30 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
5/05/2022 23:15:27: [G_Auto 1] : $ 20.00 Lay bet placed on Achy Breaky Heart at 4.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10348
5/05/2022 23:15:40: Market has been suspended
5/05/2022 23:15:41: Market is in-play
5/05/2022 23:15:41: Market has been unsuspended
5/05/2022 23:22:00: Market has been suspended
eatyourgreens
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Sorry to butt in, as I am sure Dallas is the best to advise, but looking at your log I could not see a "keep" rule triggering ??? do you have it set to fire before the "off"?

On the one click screen you can see unmatched bets at the bottom of screen, in the column "at inplay" it should say "keep", if your keep bet rule has triggered before the off.

hope thats right and hope it helps,

goodluck,
have a nice day! :-)
Plumsta
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Hi Eatyourgreens, thanks for your reply. I have a "keep unmatched bets" trigger that is always armed. Is this the same?
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Dallas
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Not if its only armed once, as that would trigger as soon as the rule is applied to the market (and before you've placed any bets)

It should be armed to trigger sometime after your last bet is placed, you could set it to trigger multiple times for example
Armed 5mins before the start till post time
Re-arm every 10secs
Trigger 30 times

That would basically trigger every 10secs during the final 5 mins
Plumsta
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I have the "Keep unmatched bet" on the following setting and still it cancels them when changes to inplay.
- always armed
- unlimited triggers
- allow trigger in suspended market
- rearm every refresh
Plumsta
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on the unmatched bets it shows to cancel at in play
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Dallas
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Plumsta wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 2:12 pm
I have the "Keep unmatched bet" on the following setting and still it cancels them when changes to inplay.
- always armed
- unlimited triggers
- allow trigger in suspended market
- rearm every refresh
With those settings it should be constantly triggering and you should see it appear in the log directly below each new bet that gets placed

Do you have any conditions on the rule?
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ShaunWhite
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Plumsta wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 2:12 pm
I have the "Keep unmatched bet" on the following setting and still it cancels them when changes to inplay.
- always armed
- unlimited triggers
- allow trigger in suspended market
- rearm every refresh
Always, unlimited, every refresh? Have you work out how many times that would fire because I think you'd risk incurring transaction charges (on the transactions over 5000/hr). If you're firing off requests every 20ms those 0.2pences could build up fast.

It only needs to fire a couple of times before the scheduled start and after the time you'd place your last bet. You don't need to request a status change over and over again.

Do make sure you're using Practice Mode until you've got the hang of it. Similar mistakes could mean you're firing bets in like an AK47, unil it empties your bank. And when you do try it with real money move most of your main wallet balance to a different wallet to make sure you don't blow it all.
Plumsta
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Thanks guys, appreciate all your assistance. I fixed it by changing it to to 5sec in play and took off all the other setting.
Really appreciate your all coming back to me.
Thanks
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ShaunWhite
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Plumsta wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 2:46 pm
Thanks guys, appreciate all your assistance. I fixed it by changing it to to 5sec in play and took off all the other setting.
Really appreciate your all coming back to me.
Thanks
No probs, we all start somewhere, but

"I fixed it by changing it to to 5sec in play"?

You can't set a bet to "keep" if the market has already been in_play for 5s? But if you mean 5s before in_play then that's not bad but maybe a bit tight, 3 or 4% of races go early to some degree or another. Even 10s would give you a bit more leeway when it comes to the timings but no need to go nuts and make it ages or you'll miss out on a chunck of the action.
Plumsta
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Hi Shaun, yeah i thought it fixed taht way but was just that race.
Have sorted now, just couldn't get my head around it at the start, now have it triggering after the bet.
Thanks again.
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