Archery1969 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:24 am
napshnap wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:19 am
Former Cold War architector George Kennan about nato unnecessary expansion -
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opin ... rom-x.html
...It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are -- but this is just wrong.
So, stupid russophobia (and in fact - racism) is the cause and nato's aim was not communism but Russia.
Shut up you muppet. NATA doesn't go around asking countries to join. Its upto each individual country what they join or dont join. Maybe if Russia stoped using the N word all the time then countries wouldn't feel the need to join NATA for added protection.
Raping and mudering children is not the norm for most civilised Armed Forces.
Russia has the GDP of Texas and is about to default on its debts. Putin needs to go one way or the other.
Relax, why're you shouting on George Kennan)? the guy is a dead already.
"Its upto each individual country what they join or dont join."
It would be superlogical to let Russia join nato (there were natos bases on Russia's territory once upon a time, may I remind you) to make the whoe world a safe palce, but it didn't happen.
"Maybe if Russia stoped using the N word all the time then countries wouldn't feel the need to join NATA for added protection."
Too abstract.
"Raping and mudering children is not the norm for most civilised Armed Forces."
Agree with that. I keep repeating - I want this conflict to stop, and if all this madness is all about saving people's lives YOU must rein in your "dogs of war" who is right now stuffing the very unsable region with weaponry, intel and instructors. At least you have the ability to civilly influence your politicans, but I'm starting to doubt if you really want it. You're "enlightened", you set the standards of humanity, you eat authoritarian regimes and sh*t out "democratic values", SO make your step, be a good example for the rest already, damn it!
"Russia has the GDP of Texas and is about to default on its debts. Putin needs to go one way or the other."
EU keeps buying Russia's natural recourses, US keeps buying Russia's rare metals, agricultural products and fertilizers and same time they continue to threaten Russia with default, strange isn't it? May I also remind you that EU and US is not a "the whole world", so there is and will be other buyers. EU and US or the West really should stop this "hegemon" sh*t until the rest of the world started laughing at them.
"Putin needs to go one way or the other."
He will some day, but what will it really change in terms of nato/Russia relations? I advise you to stop fixating on him, it's not healthy.