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Derek27
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Putin's changed his mind about why he invaded Ukraine. He now saw a build-up of NATO weapons and advisors in Ukraine, thought they were going to attack and launched a preempt strike!
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:19 pm
Putin's changed his mind about why he invaded Ukraine. He now saw a build-up of NATO weapons and advisors in Ukraine, thought they were going to attack and launched a preempt strike!
I cant tell if he is really ill or smoking something illegal.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:34 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:19 pm
Putin's changed his mind about why he invaded Ukraine. He now saw a build-up of NATO weapons and advisors in Ukraine, thought they were going to attack and launched a preempt strike!
I cant tell if he is really ill or smoking something illegal.
I think this could be his problem.

https://youtu.be/JnVS9lFY1m0?list=PLP2D ... xw8f&t=548
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:50 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:34 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 10:19 pm
Putin's changed his mind about why he invaded Ukraine. He now saw a build-up of NATO weapons and advisors in Ukraine, thought they were going to attack and launched a preempt strike!
I cant tell if he is really ill or smoking something illegal.
I think this could be his problem.

https://youtu.be/JnVS9lFY1m0?list=PLP2D ... xw8f&t=548
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Nothing's going right for Putin. The flyover had to be cancelled because of the rain. :)
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Trader Pat wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 2:37 pm
The CT is the idea that the Azov battalion are roaming the countryside murdering Russian civilians.... Putin is using their existence as a pretext for the invasion etc..etc...
If there was a bunch of Nazi's in the Mexican Gov, running around murdering Mexican civilians...what would the US do about it? Try take over the joint?
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johnsheppard wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 12:43 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 2:37 pm
The CT is the idea that the Azov battalion are roaming the countryside murdering Russian civilians.... Putin is using their existence as a pretext for the invasion etc..etc...
If there was a bunch of Nazi's in the Mexican Gov, running around murdering Mexican civilians...what would the US do about it? Try take over the joint?
Probably nothing, US is one of the two countries (guess the second one, won't be hard) who votes against anti-nazi resolution at UN.
Maybe they'll invite some of them to work on a super secret military project despite their crimes.
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I really hate this fatalistic "they left us no choice" rhetoric from Scholz and Putin in their yesterday's speeches. You are politicians, you are there to solve conflicts through words!
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"The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'..."

1984, by George Orwell.

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napshnap wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 11:17 am
I really hate this fatalistic "they left us no choice" rhetoric from Scholz and Putin in their yesterday's speeches. You are politicians, you are there to solve conflicts through words!
Probably the best comment so far.
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napshnap wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 3:43 pm
"The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'..."

1984, by George Orwell.

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Christ look how much Putin's wife has aged in 17 years!

Must be a tough gig to be fair!
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 11:24 pm

Christ look how much Putin's wife has aged in 17 years!

Must be a tough gig to be fair!
I thought you were joking at first, but... is that really the same woman?
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 12:03 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 11:24 pm

Christ look how much Putin's wife has aged in 17 years!

Must be a tough gig to be fair!
I thought you were joking at first, but... is that really the same woman?
i thought I was joking at first too but come to think of it, there are definite similarities :lol:
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Trader Pat wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 1:12 am
Derek27 wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 12:03 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 11:24 pm

Christ look how much Putin's wife has aged in 17 years!

Must be a tough gig to be fair!
I thought you were joking at first, but... is that really the same woman?
i thought I was joking at first too but come to think of it, there are definite similarities :lol:
No wonder he's gone off with that gymnast. :)
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Here's some more firewood into the hearth of CT:

"....Ukraine has 20 — 20 million tons of grain in storage in silos right now. They’re trying to figure out how to get it out of the country to market, which would reduce prices around the world.
Normally — normally, we’d have already begun to export them into the market. But it — but it hasn’t because of Putin’s invasion.
So we’re working with our European partners to get this food out into the world so that it could help bring down prices. But it’s difficult because, again, of Putin and the Russian invasion of Ukraine...."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... economy-5/

May I remind you that Hunter Biden serves as chairman of the board for World Food Program USA and had notoriously close relations with this "food donor" country.

Russia could destroy all critical railway infrastructure and bridges, but it didn't. One more stroke to this strange conflict.
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