boris and rishi partygate fines

[Derek27]

The problem is you cannot face facts. You cannot tell people "you must stay at home" and allow a party with 200 invitations without knowing what you're doing. You cannot tell people they can't be with their dying relatives and feel you've got a duty to say goodbye over a few drinks because somebody's leaving Downing Street. We're not talking about forgetting to wash your hands or put on a face mask.

If you go to a circus and a clown tells you not to squeeze the fake flower with water in, not to juggle the balls infront of the sea lion and not to play with the unicycle, then goes and does it all himself...

The problem isn't that the clown was a hypocrite, the problem is that the clown was talking nonsense the whole time and none of his rules made any logical sense in the first place. The issue is to realise that instead of arguing the semantics of "I didn't juggle the balls infront of the sealion, I juggled them infront of the seal!"

The issue isn't whether the tupperware with the cakes in was open or closed, the real issue is much much bigger

That's a good way of looking at it. If you think of BJ as a clown, he's doing a fantastic job entertaining the entire country. His latest gag that it would be irresponsible for him to resign as chief clown was hilarious.

[Derek27]

I wonder if this thread will still be going in 2 years time. And god forbid BJ wins again.

Apparently there are 29 letters in. Will they get the other 25 ?

Hopefully it will be dead when he goes or somebody starts the election thread.

The thing about letters to the 1922 committee is that after Teresa May's no confidence vote, which she won, some MPs are reluctant to go public with sending in their letters. Others will criticise the PM but refrain from sending a letter. I'm guessing there will be a few more letters than the ones we know about.

[Derek27]

BJ got booed as he turned up to, whatever he turned up to.

[Archery1969]

BJ got booed as he turned up to, whatever he turned up to.

So did Harry.
So did Blair.
So did that scotish thing.

[Derek27]

According to the i, Johnson thinks the Torys can't win without him at the helm.

[firlandsfarm]

That's what I meant. The dictionary does not say that BJ didn't lie. It's your incorrect interpretation of the word that concludes it.

Wow, that must be the biggest attempt at misleading spin yet. Let's look at the definition of "lie" in dictionary.com shall we ...

"a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth."

or perhaps you would be more comfortable with a well known dictionary reference such as Collins where it is defined as ...

"A lie is something that someone says or writes which they know is untrue"

The emphasis here being on their use of the words "deliberate", "intentional" and "they know is untrue".

I see the definitions to be sufficiently precise there is no need for interpretation, where do you think my interpretation is incorrect.

[firlandsfarm]

The thing about letters to the 1922 committee is that after Teresa May's no confidence vote, which she won, some MPs are reluctant to go public with sending in their letters. Others will criticise the PM but refrain from sending a letter. I'm guessing there will be a few more letters than the ones we know about.

To challenge the leader of the Conservatives is a lot easier than to do likewise with Labour. The Conservatives only have to have 15% of MPs ask for a vote of no-confidence to start the process whereas Labour require 20% of MPs to nominate a replacement.

[Derek27]

That's what I meant. The dictionary does not say that BJ didn't lie. It's your incorrect interpretation of the word that concludes it.

Wow, that must be the biggest attempt at misleading spin yet. Let's look at the definition of "lie" in dictionary.com shall we ...

"a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth."

or perhaps you would be more comfortable with a well known dictionary reference such as Collins where it is defined as ...

"A lie is something that someone says or writes which they know is untrue"

The emphasis here being on their use of the words "deliberate", "intentional" and "they know is untrue".

I see the definitions to be sufficiently precise there is no need for interpretation, where do you think my interpretation is incorrect.

So how does that indicate that Johnson DID NOT lie, as you claimed? The dictionary only gives a definition of lie, it doesn't tell you what Johnson was thinking.

The fact that the two dictionaries have different definitions suggests that there is no clear definition, but I prefer the former, "intent to deceive". If the police called me in for questioning and asked where I was on Tuesday, I could simply say "at home" without even giving it a thought. Is that being honest? Shouldn't an honest answer require a bit of thought or qualification: I think/expect I was at home, can't be certain?

Johnson stated that parties didn't take place. Then he said there are dozens of rooms and hundreds of people at No. 10 and he can't be aware of everything that's happening. If that's the case he couldn't possibly have known that no parties have taken place, therefore it was a lie to give an unequivocal assurance that they didn't take place.

Then he said no rules were broken. That's rather like saying you didn't break the speed limit after a long drive on the motorway. He couldn't possibly have known if any rules were broken, he didn't qualify it with "as far as I'm aware", more importantly, he didn't care. He lied.

[jamesg46]

According to the i, Johnson thinks the Torys can't win without him at the helm.

I’m assuming that you find this funny because in your mind you think Torys would win without Johnson at the helm?

[Derek27]

According to the i, Johnson thinks the Torys can't win without him at the helm.

I’m assuming that you find this funny because in your mind you think Torys would win without Johnson at the helm?

I don't like ignoring people but after the chaos and disruption we've caused in weeks gone by, I think it's best that we stop engaging in discussion.

[jamesg46]

According to the i, Johnson thinks the Torys can't win without him at the helm.

I’m assuming that you find this funny because in your mind you think Torys would win without Johnson at the helm?

I don't like ignoring people but after the chaos and disruption we've caused in weeks gone by, I think it's best that we stop engaging in discussion.

You do as you please, if you can’t move on & get past the past then that’s for you to deal with. If I see something that I feel like commenting on then I’ll comment, the present conversations have nothing to do with our history.

[Derek27]

I’m assuming that you find this funny because in your mind you think Torys would win without Johnson at the helm?

I don't like ignoring people but after the chaos and disruption we've caused in weeks gone by, I think it's best that we stop engaging in discussion.

You do as you please, if you can’t move on & get past the past then that’s for you to deal with. If I see something that I feel like commenting on then I’ll comment, the present conversations have nothing to do with our history.

Still having difficulty understanding?

I have moved on and have nothing to deal with. You posted a question to me so I was just saying, to avoid any more threads getting locked and posts deleted I don't want to get into more endless spats.

[jamesg46]

I don't like ignoring people but after the chaos and disruption we've caused in weeks gone by, I think it's best that we stop engaging in discussion.

You do as you please, if you can’t move on & get past the past then that’s for you to deal with. If I see something that I feel like commenting on then I’ll comment, the present conversations have nothing to do with our history.

Still having difficulty understanding?

I have moved on and have nothing to deal with. You posted a question to me so I was just saying, to avoid any more threads getting locked and posts deleted I don't want to get into more endless spats.

Then don’t, you have control over your behaviour, not me. I was asking a genuine question, without intent of being disruptive or disrespectful. If you can’t trust yourself to respond without getting into a spat then that’s on you.

If me asking you question makes you feel uncomfortable or on the verge of having a spat then you clearly haven’t moved on & that is for you to deal with.

It was probably easier to answer the question rather than dredging our past… but obviously you chose to latter.

[Derek27]

You do as you please, if you can’t move on & get past the past then that’s for you to deal with. If I see something that I feel like commenting on then I’ll comment, the present conversations have nothing to do with our history.

Still having difficulty understanding?

I have moved on and have nothing to deal with. You posted a question to me so I was just saying, to avoid any more threads getting locked and posts deleted I don't want to get into more endless spats.

Then don’t, you have control over your behaviour, not me. I was asking a genuine question, without intent of being disruptive or disrespectful. If you can’t trust yourself to respond without getting into a spat then that’s on you.

If me asking you question makes you feel uncomfortable or on the verge of having a spat then you clearly haven’t moved on & that is for you to deal with.

It was probably easier to answer the question rather than dredging our past… but obviously you chose to latter.

My behaviour!! What a short memory you've got.

[jamesg46]

Still having difficulty understanding?

I have moved on and have nothing to deal with. You posted a question to me so I was just saying, to avoid any more threads getting locked and posts deleted I don't want to get into more endless spats.

Then don’t, you have control over your behaviour, not me. I was asking a genuine question, without intent of being disruptive or disrespectful. If you can’t trust yourself to respond without getting into a spat then that’s on you.

If me asking you question makes you feel uncomfortable or on the verge of having a spat then you clearly haven’t moved on & that is for you to deal with.

It was probably easier to answer the question rather than dredging our past… but obviously you chose to latter.

My behaviour!! What a short memory you've got.

I was referring to any future behaviour but further proof that you haven’t moved on by more digging. Not a problem for me Derek, your head is obviously rent free & I’m in there.