Ukraine Crisis

[Derek27]

Calls for Iran to be kicked out of the World Cup for supplying Russia with drones. Surely all the nations supplying Ukraine should be kicked out as well?

Or perhaps FIFA should just adjudicate the war!

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Or perhaps FIFA should just adjudicate the war!

With their VAR? - no fn way!)

[Derek27]

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Or perhaps FIFA should just adjudicate the war!

With their VAR? - no fn way!)

Ironically, the ICC will be using VAR to determine whether war crimes have been committed. I've never looked at it that way.

[greenmark]

Staggering rhetoric from Putin claimiing the West had fomented all the actions Russia has taken over Ukraine.

Before the invasion there were western interests all over Russia. Russians where well-embedded in western society.
That's all gone because of Putin. Now he's threatening WW3 if the west launc a nuclear attack against Russia. WTF. There's rhetoric and posturing, but this is like lsitening to someone in some sort of warped paralell universe where Russia is the victim of an evil, predatory west.
It's the biggest load of cobblers I have ever heard.

[Archery1969]

Staggering rhetoric from Putin claimiing the West had fomented all the actions Russia has taken over Ukraine.

Before the invasion there were western interests all over Russia. Russians where well-embedded in western society.
That's all gone because of Putin. Now he's threatening WW3 if the west launc a nuclear attack against Russia. WTF. There's rhetoric and posturing, but this is like lsitening to someone in some sort of warped paralell universe where Russia is the victim of an evil, predatory west.
It's the biggest load of cobblers I have ever heard.

He is playing to an audience because he knows his troops are getting a right kicking.

What was more worrying was an interview done by the BBC and their energy minister. He said if the west launched anything, conventional or otherwise at Russian assets at home or abroad that they would end the world. That is in their nuclear doctrine. You could tell that the nutter meant it as well.

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... but this is like lsitening to someone in some sort of warped paralell universe where Russia is the victim of an evil, predatory west.
It's the biggest load of cobblers I have ever heard.

Oh no! This counter narrative parallel universe slowly sucks others in - https://www.politico.eu/article/france- ... ectionism/

It's like zombie survival game. The president bit them, Carl!

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He is playing to an audience because he knows his troops are getting a right kicking.

What was more worrying was an interview done by the BBC and their energy minister. He said if the west launched anything, conventional or otherwise at Russian assets at home or abroad that they would end the world. That is in their nuclear doctrine. You could tell that the nutter meant it as well.

God bless the Perimeter.

[Derek27]

The pipeline explosions were carried out by the British Navy, according to Russian Defence Ministry.

[greenmark]

The pipeline explosions were carried out by the British Navy, according to Russian Defence Ministry.

Struggling to compute the logic of that claim. Surely if the west wanted to deprive Russia of gas revenue we would just turn off the tap.
Maybe it isn't as simple as that.
Presumably it's a veiled threat of retribution against the UK for attacking Russian assets.

Curious though that the explosions were in Danish/Swedish waters.
If it was Russia that would constitue an attack on a NATO country. Although NATO, like any other organisation, can decide to respond or not.

[Derek27]

The pipeline explosions were carried out by the British Navy, according to Russian Defence Ministry.

Struggling to compute the logic of that claim. Surely if the west wanted to deprive Russia of gas revenue we would just turn off the tap.
Maybe it isn't as simple as that.
Presumably it's a veiled threat of retribution against the UK for attacking Russian assets.

Curious though that the explosions were in Danish/Swedish waters.
If it was Russia that would constitue an attack on a NATO country. Although NATO, like any other organisation, can decide to respond or not.

My understanding is that those pipelines weren't in use anyway, so I don't know what the point of it was, unless it was just to blame the UK for something.

[greenmark]

The pipeline explosions were carried out by the British Navy, according to Russian Defence Ministry.

Struggling to compute the logic of that claim. Surely if the west wanted to deprive Russia of gas revenue we would just turn off the tap.
Maybe it isn't as simple as that.
Presumably it's a veiled threat of retribution against the UK for attacking Russian assets.

Curious though that the explosions were in Danish/Swedish waters.
If it was Russia that would constitue an attack on a NATO country. Although NATO, like any other organisation, can decide to respond or not.

My understanding is that those pipelines weren't in use anyway, so I don't know what the point of it was, unless it was just to blame the UK for something.

With Putin's regime it's all smoke and mirrors. But I am struck by how willing his regime is to isolate itself from the west. And cuddle up to Iran, Syria, China. Let's hope Chinese pragmatism will limit that relationship.

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Struggling to compute the logic of that claim. Surely if the west wanted to deprive Russia of gas revenue we would just turn off the tap.
Maybe it isn't as simple as that.
Presumably it's a veiled threat of retribution against the UK for attacking Russian assets.

Curious though that the explosions were in Danish/Swedish waters.
If it was Russia that would constitue an attack on a NATO country. Although NATO, like any other organisation, can decide to respond or not.

My understanding is that those pipelines weren't in use anyway, so I don't know what the point of it was, unless it was just to blame the UK for something.

With Putin's regime it's all smoke and mirrors. But I am struck by how willing his regime is to isolate itself from the west. And cuddle up to Iran, Syria, China. Let's hope Chinese pragmatism will limit that relationship.

It's not only "his regime" "smoke and mirrors" - 3 eu countries carried out investigations, but no information is available to public, some germ party asked their investigators to reveal what they have learned but investigators replied to them (in bureaucratic) to go f themselves.
The secrecy is killingly idiotic and more to say - criminal. We, the people, deserve to have access to the information!

[greenmark]

My understanding is that those pipelines weren't in use anyway, so I don't know what the point of it was, unless it was just to blame the UK for something.

With Putin's regime it's all smoke and mirrors. But I am struck by how willing his regime is to isolate itself from the west. And cuddle up to Iran, Syria, China. Let's hope Chinese pragmatism will limit that relationship.

It's not only "his regime" "smoke and mirrors" - 3 eu countries carried investigations, but no information is available to public, some germ party asked their investigators to reveal what they have learned but investigators replied to them to go f themselves.
The secrecy is killingly idiotic and more to say - criminal. We, the people, deserve to have access to the information!

Seems to me (from my propanda-laden media) that NATO is doing the most it can to help a soveriegn state and ally protect itself. Short of setting foot in Ukraine or any other provocative action. History may perhaps prove NATO did blow up the Nord pipelines.
In any case, the whole "special operation" must now be seen as failed in so many ways.
The latest strategy of the new commander Surovikin is nothing other than fascist, even terrorist in it's nature.
All Russia has to do is get rid of Putin and his cronies, but that isn't going to happen.

[Derek27]

With Putin's regime it's all smoke and mirrors. But I am struck by how willing his regime is to isolate itself from the west. And cuddle up to Iran, Syria, China. Let's hope Chinese pragmatism will limit that relationship.

It's not only "his regime" "smoke and mirrors" - 3 eu countries carried investigations, but no information is available to public, some germ party asked their investigators to reveal what they have learned but investigators replied to them to go f themselves.
The secrecy is killingly idiotic and more to say - criminal. We, the people, deserve to have access to the information!

Seems to me (from my propanda-laden media) that NATO is doing the most it can to help a soveriegn state and ally protect itself. Short of setting foot in Ukraine or any other provocative action. History may perhaps prove NATO did blow up the Nord pipelines.
In any case, the whole "special operation" must now be seen as failed in so many ways.
The latest strategy of the new commander Surovikin is nothing other than fascist, even terrorist in it's nature.
All Russia has to do is get rid of Putin and his cronies, but that isn't going to happen.

Biden was quick to withdraw US forces from Ukraine before the war started to avoid WWIII. But with hindsight, they must be wondering if they would be better off staying. The war would have been over in a couple of weeks. True, Putin might start firing off his nukes but we'll be in that same situation anyway once he's eventually defeated.

[Archery1969]

It's not only "his regime" "smoke and mirrors" - 3 eu countries carried investigations, but no information is available to public, some germ party asked their investigators to reveal what they have learned but investigators replied to them to go f themselves.
The secrecy is killingly idiotic and more to say - criminal. We, the people, deserve to have access to the information!

Seems to me (from my propanda-laden media) that NATO is doing the most it can to help a soveriegn state and ally protect itself. Short of setting foot in Ukraine or any other provocative action. History may perhaps prove NATO did blow up the Nord pipelines.
In any case, the whole "special operation" must now be seen as failed in so many ways.
The latest strategy of the new commander Surovikin is nothing other than fascist, even terrorist in it's nature.
All Russia has to do is get rid of Putin and his cronies, but that isn't going to happen.

Biden was quick to withdraw US forces from Ukraine before the war started to avoid WWIII. But with hindsight, they must be wondering if they would be better off staying. The war would have been over in a couple of weeks. True, Putin might start firing off his nukes but we'll be in that same situation anyway once he's eventually defeated.

US Airborne troops (12,000) are 2 miles from the Ukraine border. They were deployed on Tuesday. Official statement says they preparing for potential conflict with Russia.

Apparently massive attack on Russian fleet by Ukraine using drones.

Putin is planning something. Chemical, biological or nuclear strike on Ukraine.

Biden and Zelenskyy settled there differences on way forward. 80 HIMRAS (6 missiles each) cleared and ready to be deployed to Ukraine via secure routes.

Those new Russian recruits in for one hell of a battering.