Placing back/lay bet after rule triggers

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ruskib
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Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.
2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg
So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

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Derek27
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ruskib wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.

2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg

So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

Regards
Yes. You can increment a signal or stored value each time a rule is triggered. Then have another rule to fire when that SV hits 20.
Anbell
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ruskib wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.

2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg

So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

Regards
I'm curious why you might want to do that?
ruskib
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:39 pm
ruskib wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.

2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg

So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

Regards
Yes. You can increment a signal or stored value each time a rule is triggered. Then have another rule to fire when that SV hits 20.

Hi Derek thank you for reply. Could you help me how to do this? As probably my experience with BA is not enough good to doing that.
If that make easier I use file from this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=20242&sid=4f87d53d314f0 ... 916c83aece

And Im looking to place back/lay bet when SV hits 20 from 'New high Row 3' (as a example).
I do apologies for my english, but I hope you know what I mean.


@Anbell is just one of the condition to place a bet. :)
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Derek27
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ruskib wrote:
Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:40 am
Derek27 wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:39 pm
ruskib wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.

2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg

So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

Regards
Yes. You can increment a signal or stored value each time a rule is triggered. Then have another rule to fire when that SV hits 20.

Hi Derek thank you for reply. Could you help me how to do this? As probably my experience with BA is not enough good to doing that.
If that make easier I use file from this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=20242&sid=4f87d53d314f0 ... 916c83aece

And Im looking to place back/lay bet when SV hits 20 from 'New high Row 3' (as a example).
I do apologies for my english, but I hope you know what I mean.


@Anbell is just one of the condition to place a bet. :)
You could increment a signal for every selection in the rule you want to keep tabs on.
Screenshot 2023-01-07 133046.gif
Then, in a separate rule that fires the bet, you can control it by testing that the signal has reached the desired count.
Screenshot 2023-01-07 133116.gif
I'd recommend spending a few hours going through the BA manual. It's much quicker to learn than just using the odd rule/condition/value as and when you need it.
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Dallas
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ruskib wrote:
Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:40 am
Derek27 wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:39 pm
ruskib wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm
Hi, I will try to explain what I looking for.

2023-01-06_21h18_19.jpg

So is any chance to place a bet if store value for 'selection 6' hit minimum 20/1000 triggers? (as on the picture above?)
Hope you know what I mean :roll:

Regards
Yes. You can increment a signal or stored value each time a rule is triggered. Then have another rule to fire when that SV hits 20.

Hi Derek thank you for reply. Could you help me how to do this? As probably my experience with BA is not enough good to doing that.
If that make easier I use file from this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=20242&sid=4f87d53d314f0 ... 916c83aece

And Im looking to place back/lay bet when SV hits 20 from 'New high Row 3' (as a example).
I do apologies for my english, but I hope you know what I mean.


@Anbell is just one of the condition to place a bet. :)
There is an example here which increments stored values to count the selections
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=20854

You'd just need to copy the first rule from that in to your exsisting file
Then just add only the stored values from the second rule in the file to your existing rule that you want to count the triggers for, so rather than count the selections it increments the value each time it triggers

Then add a Stored Value condition to your existing rule to test the amount is equal to or less than 21
iangrant230
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Has anyone used these results to create rules for a bot (promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices) ?

I made a bot using the IP min column, my rule was once £100 has been traded on the selection at below a certain price the bot puts in a trade, when I have checked those results against the bot results this morning it placed trades on 18 more horses than it should of.

Am I misinterpreting the criteria for recording the IP min?

IPMIN Minimum price placed in-play (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)
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ShaunWhite
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iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:27 pm
Has anyone used these results to create rules for a bot (promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices) ?
You won't find an edge in the free data that isn't backfitted, literally thousands of people have looked at it. The other problem with IPMIN is it's retrospective, you don't know what the min was is until after it's happened.

£100 traded isn't the same as a payout of £100, the payout depends on the amount traded and the price.
iangrant230
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:27 pm
iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:27 pm
Has anyone used these results to create rules for a bot (promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices) ?
You won't find an edge in the free data that isn't backfitted, literally thousands of people have looked at it. The other problem with IPMIN is it's retrospective, you don't know what the min was is until after it's happened.

£100 traded isn't the same as a payout of £100, the payout depends on the amount traded and the price.
Yeah that’s what I was wondering, if it applied to a payout of £100 then what’s traded would be a lot less than £100 on the back side but a lot more on the lay side just wondered what they went off if there was a way to use the info to make it more accurate.
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iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:01 pm
Yeah that’s what I was wondering, if it applied to a payout of £100 then what’s traded would be a lot less than £100 on the back side but a lot more on the lay side just wondered what they went off if there was a way to use the info to make it more accurate.
The traded vol is also double what you might expect. If I had a £50 bet with you that's my £50 plus the £50 you took. So we as a market "traded" £100, and if it was at evens then the payout would be £50.
iangrant230
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:38 pm
iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:01 pm
Yeah that’s what I was wondering, if it applied to a payout of £100 then what’s traded would be a lot less than £100 on the back side but a lot more on the lay side just wondered what they went off if there was a way to use the info to make it more accurate.
The traded vol is also double what you might expect. If I had a £50 bet with you that's my £50 plus the £50 you took. So we as a market "traded" £100, and if it was at evens then the payout would be £50.
Yeah that’s what I mean so if you were basing it on odds of 5.0 then £25 back bet would mean £100 payout but if you were laying at 5.0 then £400 would need to be matched to have £100 payout on a lay.
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ShaunWhite
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iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:39 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:38 pm
iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:01 pm
Yeah that’s what I was wondering, if it applied to a payout of £100 then what’s traded would be a lot less than £100 on the back side but a lot more on the lay side just wondered what they went off if there was a way to use the info to make it more accurate.
The traded vol is also double what you might expect. If I had a £50 bet with you that's my £50 plus the £50 you took. So we as a market "traded" £100, and if it was at evens then the payout would be £50.
Yeah that’s what I mean so if you were basing it on odds of 5.0 then £25 back bet would mean £100 payout but if you were laying at 5.0 then £400 would need to be matched to have £100 payout on a lay.
Backing or laying doesn't matter. If you lay £25 at 5 then the payout is £100 if it wins. Back 25 at 5 and someone else pays out 100 if it wins. Every bet is a back and a lay. Your back is someone else's lay and visa versa. Traded amounts don't have a side.
iangrant230
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:38 pm
iangrant230 wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:39 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:38 pm

The traded vol is also double what you might expect. If I had a £50 bet with you that's my £50 plus the £50 you took. So we as a market "traded" £100, and if it was at evens then the payout would be £50.
Yeah that’s what I mean so if you were basing it on odds of 5.0 then £25 back bet would mean £100 payout but if you were laying at 5.0 then £400 would need to be matched to have £100 payout on a lay.
Backing or laying doesn't matter. If you lay £25 at 5 then the payout is £100 if it wins. Back 25 at 5 and someone else pays out 100 if it wins. Every bet is a back and a lay. Your back is someone else's lay and visa versa. Traded amounts don't have a side.
I know that so when those results are done for £100 payout if you were trying to set a bot to mirror those results would you need to set it to be £400 traded as that’s the higher amount to see £100 payout
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