Charles Bronson

[greenmark]

Parole denied, not surprising but there should be at least some sort of plan in place so slowly down categorise him and develop his social skills, along with other skills he'll need for release but they don't seem to want to even try to rehabilitate him which is a human right in itself.

Obviously his behavior warrants time in prison but they've institutionalised him that much they no longer have a clue what to do other than keep him locked up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-65112410

I agree rehab into society is the ideal. For the Parole Board (given the febrile nature of media and politics at the moment) the risk of him re-offending would put them under massive pressure and that is a concept Bronson (Salvador) has failed to understand for decades.
If your job was staked on freeing him, would you do it? He's sadly reaping the consequences of his inability to accept punishment by the system.
I certainly wouldn't like to be near him right now. Can someone used to 23hrs solitary have any hope of adapting.
But the flipside for me (that carries no responsibility) is - if he made a success of life on the outside, it would be a triumph.
He's getting another chance by being moved to a closed prison. We shall see how problematic his reputation is and how well he copes daily contact with people and circumstances that may annoy him.
Good luck to him. Probably the hardest part of his journey yet. Hope he doesn't relapse.

[Michael5482]

Parole denied, not surprising but there should be at least some sort of plan in place so slowly down categorise him and develop his social skills, along with other skills he'll need for release but they don't seem to want to even try to rehabilitate him which is a human right in itself.

Obviously his behavior warrants time in prison but they've institutionalised him that much they no longer have a clue what to do other than keep him locked up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-65112410

I agree rehab into society is the ideal. For the Parole Board (given the febrile nature of media and politics at the moment) the risk of him re-offending would put them under massive pressure and that is a concept Bronson (Salvador) has failed to understand for decades.
If your job was staked on freeing him, would you do it? He's sadly reaping the consequences of his inability to accept punishment by the system.
I certainly wouldn't like to be near him right now. Can someone used to 23hrs solitary have any hope of adapting.
But the flipside for me (that carries no responsibility) is - if he made a success of life on the outside, it would be a triumph.
He's getting another chance by being moved to a closed prison. We shall see how problematic his reputation is and how well he copes daily contact with people and circumstances that may annoy him.
Good luck to him. Probably the hardest part of his journey yet. Hope he doesn't relapse.

If my job was on the line I'd use common sense and request a full plan be put in place culminating in his release however he'd have to adhere to it and any failures he's back to square one.

His solicitor has indicated he took it very well and was expecting it to be denied. He needs a chance to prove himself but can't get the chance because of his behavior but how much of his behavior was because of his "brutal and unacceptable treatment" (words used by a psychologist who evaluated him) by the prison service over the years. The chicken and egg scenario and you can go round in circles with it all.

It does make me wonder how the likes of Colin Pitchfork seen the light of day again after raping and murdering two children.

Anyway as you say best of luck to him, maybe one day he'll be with his family on the coast painting his pictures at peace.

[Archery1969]

Far more dangerous people than Broson have been released back into society. You just dont know who and where they living.

[greenmark]

Far more dangerous people than Broson have been released back into society. You just dont know who and where they living.

But they were seemingly contrite. Bronson (Salavdor) has refused to be contrite or comply. He may not have hurt anyone for a few years, but he has had very very limited contact with anybody but guards, a select group of prisoners (that he didn't have a universally good relationship with) and psychologists.
Imagine if someone bumps into his trolley in the supermarket or a neighbourly dispute?

[Archery1969]

Far more dangerous people than Broson have been released back into society. You just dont know who and where they living.

But they were seemingly contrite. Bronson (Salavdor) has refused to be contrite or comply. He may not have hurt anyone for a few years, but he has had very very limited contact with anybody but guards, a select group of prisoners (that he didn't have a universally good relationship with) and psychologists.
Imagine if someone bumps into his trolley in the supermarket or a neighbourly dispute?

What about Kenneth Noye ?

- While at school ran a protection racket.
- On leaving school sent to prison for having a shotgun with no license.
- Stabs a policeman to death in his garden. Found not guilty even though he said it happened due to self dence.
- Major part in Brinks mat robbery. Found guilty, turns to the Jury and says I hope you all die of cancer.
- While in prison a number of the gang were shot dead. Police believe he organised those killings from his prison cell.
- Released from prison and then killed someone in a road rage incident.
- Released from prison and now driving around Kent in a new Range Rover but claiming benefits.
- Half the money from the original robbery is waiting overseas and being looked after by the only living member of the gang who was not arrested. Noye is playing a waiting game. Once he thinks the police have lost interest then he will go and get his ill goten gains.

How come the parole board think/thought Noye should be released after only 20 years, dont make sense to me ?

[Emmson]

Far more dangerous people than Broson have been released back into society. You just dont know who and where they living.

But they were seemingly contrite. Bronson (Salavdor) has refused to be contrite or comply. He may not have hurt anyone for a few years, but he has had very very limited contact with anybody but guards, a select group of prisoners (that he didn't have a universally good relationship with) and psychologists.
Imagine if someone bumps into his trolley in the supermarket or a neighbourly dispute?

What about Kenneth Noye ?

- While at school ran a protection racket.
- On leaving school sent to prison for having a shotgun with no license.
- Stabs a policeman to death in his garden. Found not guilty even though he said it happened due to self dence.
- Major part in Brinks mat robbery. Found guilty, turns to the Jury and says I hope you all die of cancer.
- While in prison a number of the gang were shot dead. Police believe he organised those killings from his prison cell.
- Released from prison and then killed someone in a road rage incident.
- Released from prison and now driving around Kent in a new Range Rover but claiming benefits.
- Half the money from the original robbery is waiting overseas and being looked after by the only living member of the gang who was not arrested. Noye is playing a waiting game. Once he thinks the police have lost interest then he will go and get his ill goten gains.

How come the parole board think/thought Noye should be released after only 20 years, dont make sense to me ?

[Archery1969]

But they were seemingly contrite. Bronson (Salavdor) has refused to be contrite or comply. He may not have hurt anyone for a few years, but he has had very very limited contact with anybody but guards, a select group of prisoners (that he didn't have a universally good relationship with) and psychologists.
Imagine if someone bumps into his trolley in the supermarket or a neighbourly dispute?

What about Kenneth Noye ?

- While at school ran a protection racket.
- On leaving school sent to prison for having a shotgun with no license.
- Stabs a policeman to death in his garden. Found not guilty even though he said it happened due to self dence.
- Major part in Brinks mat robbery. Found guilty, turns to the Jury and says I hope you all die of cancer.
- While in prison a number of the gang were shot dead. Police believe he organised those killings from his prison cell.
- Released from prison and then killed someone in a road rage incident.
- Released from prison and now driving around Kent in a new Range Rover but claiming benefits.
- Half the money from the original robbery is waiting overseas and being looked after by the only living member of the gang who was not arrested. Noye is playing a waiting game. Once he thinks the police have lost interest then he will go and get his ill goten gains.

How come the parole board think/thought Noye should be released after only 20 years, dont make sense to me ?

ah, yeah, freemasons. Interesting. I believe a number of police officers were also members at the same time as Noye.

[greenmark]

What about Kenneth Noye ?

- While at school ran a protection racket.
- On leaving school sent to prison for having a shotgun with no license.
- Stabs a policeman to death in his garden. Found not guilty even though he said it happened due to self dence.
- Major part in Brinks mat robbery. Found guilty, turns to the Jury and says I hope you all die of cancer.
- While in prison a number of the gang were shot dead. Police believe he organised those killings from his prison cell.
- Released from prison and then killed someone in a road rage incident.
- Released from prison and now driving around Kent in a new Range Rover but claiming benefits.
- Half the money from the original robbery is waiting overseas and being looked after by the only living member of the gang who was not arrested. Noye is playing a waiting game. Once he thinks the police have lost interest then he will go and get his ill goten gains.

How come the parole board think/thought Noye should be released after only 20 years, dont make sense to me ?

ah, yeah, freemasons. Interesting. I believe a number of police officers were also members at the same time as Noye.

Or it could just be that Noye is cunning and complies with the system. Bronson may well be less of a threat to society than Noye but he hasn't handled things at all well. Even now he's still unable to recognise the value in being as simperingly compliant as possible. Noye knew exactly what to do to get out as soon as possible. But I agree is a really nasty piece of work. A career criminal with no desire to follow any other path.

[ANGELS15]

Yesterday George Bamby the man who claimed to be Charles Bronson's son admitted that he wasn't and that it was all a publicity stunt cooked up beween himself and Bronson about 6 years ago. Apparently the motive was for Bamby to be given access to Bronson and to aid him in campaigning for parole. Bamby admits to making 'lots of money out of it'.

What's amazing is how he was able to get away with it. It partly involved a 'fake DNA test'.

[Archery1969]

ah, yeah, freemasons. Interesting. I believe a number of police officers were also members at the same time as Noye.

Or it could just be that Noye is cunning and complies with the system. Bronson may well be less of a threat to society than Noye but he hasn't handled things at all well. Even now he's still unable to recognise the value in being as simperingly compliant as possible. Noye knew exactly what to do to get out as soon as possible. But I agree is a really nasty piece of work. A career criminal with no desire to follow any other path.

+ 1

So is it right that Noye knew how to play the system and got out to enjoy what he took while Bronson, being somewhat mentally inept serves twice the sentence ?

I not trying to start an argument on this subject and obviously wouldn't invite Bronson around for a cup of tea or barbecue but the sentence should be based on your crimes and nothing to do with how cleaver you are or are not. The system has let murderer's and child molesters go free after serving half the sentence Bronosn has been locked up. On a scale of 1 to 10 I know damm sure which ones including Noye I would rather see get a whole life sentence before Bronson. Or maybe, thats just me.

Anyway, Greenmark, you always seem to come across has a liberal and therefore someone who believes in redemption. Maybe I am wrong but out of the two, if you had to choose, who would you release first ?