UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[firlandsfarm]

Jesus people, stop moaning about brexit, it happened, get over it. Blame the politicians but most of all blame the over 60s who voted for it.

Done deal, even Labour won’t reverse it. Lib Dem’s might try too if they win the keys to No 10 but the EU would them over a barrel. Yes you can rejoin but on out terms like you left. There is some dispute as to would we ever be allowed to as wouldn’t meet the criteria plus wouldcould we offer anyway ?

It’s done, move on and be more worried about where the Nukes are going to fall etc…

Wise words Archery

[firlandsfarm]

Most of all i feel sorry for the NI unionists.
They are being cast adrift.

The NI 'problem' could be solved overnight. All the EU has to do is put a hard border between The Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU. Simple. What's that? That would not be acceptable to the EU? But isn't that what they expect us to do between NI and the rest of the UK!

[firlandsfarm]

A turd is a turd no matter how much you polish it.

True, we polished the EU for decades but it was still a turd.

[Archery1969]

The EU was always a fcuking turd. France and Germany ran the show and wouldn’t allow the UK to the top table. They virtually destroyed Greece with demands of debt, pension reform, among other things. Let’s not dress it up, the EU put a gun to Greece head, we will bail you out BUT BUT.

You idiots that love the EU, do us all a favour, take the 49% of you and move over to the EU. Will provide plenty of space and housing for the rest of us.

And while I am at it I don’t remember being offered a vote on joining the common market back the 70s or did I miss something ?

If you don’t like living here then basically fcuk off.

[greenmark]

The EU was always a fcuking turd. France and Germany ran the show and wouldn’t allow the UK to the top table. They virtually destroyed Greece with demands of debt, pension reform, among other things. Let’s not dress it up, the EU put a gun to Greece head, we will bail you out BUT BUT.

You idiots that love the EU, do us all a favour, take the 49% of you and move over to the EU. Will provide plenty of space and housing for the rest of us.

And while I am at it I don’t remember being offered a vote on joining the common market back the 70s or did I miss something ?

If you don’t like living here then basically fcuk off.

We had a referendum on whether to remaiin in the EU in 1975 and it was a resounding yes. How times change.

[Archangel]

Its funny, it was initially the remainers who were the angry ones (or remoaners) as they were called. Now its the Brexiteers who are full of rage. Why ? Becuase they have slowly realised they were lied to all along about the benefits of leaving the EU. It was going to be great for the economy, oh wait, except it isnt. It was going to lead to less migration, oh wait, except it hasnt.

My advice, get angry at the people who convinced you to vote for something that wasnt what you were sold, instead of getting angry at those who tried to warn you !

[Archangel]

Most of all i feel sorry for the NI unionists.
They are being cast adrift.

The NI 'problem' could be solved overnight. All the EU has to do is put a hard border between The Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU. Simple. What's that? That would not be acceptable to the EU? But isn't that what they expect us to do between NI and the rest of the UK!

Breaking News "Random Bloke on Internet solves NI problem at last"

Firstly, it is worth noting that the issue of Northern Ireland is complex and deeply rooted in history, politics, and identity. The Northern Ireland Protocol, agreed as part of the Brexit deal, was designed to prevent a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, while also maintaining the integrity of the EU's single market. This was seen as essential for preserving the peace process and avoiding a return to violence on the island of Ireland.

Secondly, it is not accurate to suggest that the EU expects the UK to put a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. In fact, the EU has repeatedly stated that it does not want to see a hard border on the island of Ireland, and that the Northern Ireland Protocol is the best way to achieve this.

Additionally, a hard border could also threaten the Good Friday Agreement, which is widely seen as a cornerstone of peace in Northern Ireland.

In conclusion, the suggestion that the issue of Northern Ireland could be solved overnight by the EU putting a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU is not based on accurate information or a full understanding of the complex issues at play. The Northern Ireland Protocol, while not perfect, was agreed as the best way to maintain peace and stability on the island of Ireland, and it is important that all parties work together to ensure its effective implementation.

[sionascaig]

If you don’t like living here then basically fcuk off.

Well I was talking about the trade deal not the EU, although clearly the EU are not so stupid to sign up and it makes Trump look like a beacon of sensibility.

As an aside support for re-joining EU is over 50%, support for not re-joining c32%.

Re-joining EU will feature in next election as all the main parties seek to avoid the question, the SNP hammer on about it & the Reform party tell us what a mess the conservatives have made of Brexit. Can't see the Libs mentioning it as they are after mainly conservative seats.

Its the elephant in the room and will be interesting to see how it pans out.

There really is no need to get so sensitive about it, just look for some good trades.

[Archangel]

The EU was always a fcuking turd. France and Germany ran the show and wouldn’t allow the UK to the top table. They virtually destroyed Greece with demands of debt, pension reform, among other things. Let’s not dress it up, the EU put a gun to Greece head, we will bail you out BUT BUT.

You idiots that love the EU, do us all a favour, take the 49% of you and move over to the EU. Will provide plenty of space and housing for the rest of us.

And while I am at it I don’t remember being offered a vote on joining the common market back the 70s or did I miss something ?

If you don’t like living here then basically fcuk off.

I know you are angry but; it is not accurate to say that the EU was always a "fcuking turd" or that France and Germany were solely responsible for running the show. The European Union is a complex and diverse organization, consisting of 27 member states that all have their own interests and priorities. Decision-making within the EU involves a variety of institutions and processes, including the European Council, the European Parliament, and the European Commission, among others.

Furthermore, the idea that the EU "virtually destroyed Greece" is a simplistic and inaccurate portrayal of the economic crisis that hit Greece in the wake of the 2008 global financial crisis. While it is true that Greece received a bailout from the EU and the International Monetary Fund, the conditions attached to the bailout were aimed at addressing structural issues in the Greek economy, such as high levels of debt and a weak tax system. While there is ongoing debate about the effectiveness of these measures, it is not accurate to say that the EU "put a gun to Greece's head."

Regarding your comment about those who love the EU, it is important to recognize that there are many valid reasons why people might support EU membership, such as the economic benefits of access to the single market, the freedom of movement for people and goods, and the potential for cooperation on issues such as climate change and security.

Finally, it is worth noting that the UK did hold a referendum on its membership of the EU in 2016, which resulted in a narrow majority in favor of leaving. It is important to respect the democratic process and the rights of those who may hold different opinions on this issue.

[greenmark]

Most of all i feel sorry for the NI unionists.
They are being cast adrift.

The NI 'problem' could be solved overnight. All the EU has to do is put a hard border between The Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU. Simple. What's that? That would not be acceptable to the EU? But isn't that what they expect us to do between NI and the rest of the UK!

Breaking News "Random Bloke on Internet solves NI problem at last"

Firstly, it is worth noting that the issue of Northern Ireland is complex and deeply rooted in history, politics, and identity. The Northern Ireland Protocol, agreed as part of the Brexit deal, was designed to prevent a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, while also maintaining the integrity of the EU's single market. This was seen as essential for preserving the peace process and avoiding a return to violence on the island of Ireland.

Secondly, it is not accurate to suggest that the EU expects the UK to put a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. In fact, the EU has repeatedly stated that it does not want to see a hard border on the island of Ireland, and that the Northern Ireland Protocol is the best way to achieve this.

Additionally, a hard border could also threaten the Good Friday Agreement, which is widely seen as a cornerstone of peace in Northern Ireland.

In conclusion, the suggestion that the issue of Northern Ireland could be solved overnight by the EU putting a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU is not based on accurate information or a full understanding of the complex issues at play. The Northern Ireland Protocol, while not perfect, was agreed as the best way to maintain peace and stability on the island of Ireland, and it is important that all parties work together to ensure its effective implementation.

I agree 100% with all that. There is another scenario on the horizon and that's a referendum on a united Ireland if there is a perception that the result could be a 'yes'. I think that is recognised within the Good Friday Agreement. And from what I've read that possibility is getting closer. Although Lord knows what the unionist paramilitaries would do in that event.

[Michael5482]

The political system in the UK is completely broken, broken by the MP's who are supposed to uphold it.

Don't get me wrong there's a few good MP's but the majority are only out to serve themselves mainly for financial gain. The majority are greedy, unscrupulous liars who couldn't answer a simple straight forward question let alone implement any meaningful policy.

You watch MP's question time they behave like school children, not one of them is capable of taking any responsibility for anything it's always someone else's fault and constantly look to divide the public so they can get away with it.

What a mess this country is in yet instead of civilised conversation people revert arguing and abusing each other (Remain/Brexit Tory/Labour) whilst the real people responsible for it all carry on as normal and ruin the country that little bit more.

[sionascaig]

The political system in the UK is completely broken, broken by the MP's who are supposed to uphold it.

Don't get me wrong there's a few good MP's but the majority are only out to serve themselves mainly for financial gain. The majority are greedy, unscrupulous liars who couldn't answer a simple straight forward question let alone implement any meaningful policy.

You watch MP's question time they behave like school children, not one of them is capable of taking any responsibility for anything it's always someone else's fault and constantly look to divide the public so they can get away with it.

What a mess this country is in yet instead of civilised conversation people revert arguing and abusing each other (Remain/Brexit Tory/Labour) whilst the real people responsible for it all carry on as normal and ruin the country that little bit more.

+1

[Archery1969]

The NI 'problem' could be solved overnight. All the EU has to do is put a hard border between The Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU. Simple. What's that? That would not be acceptable to the EU? But isn't that what they expect us to do between NI and the rest of the UK!

Breaking News "Random Bloke on Internet solves NI problem at last"

Firstly, it is worth noting that the issue of Northern Ireland is complex and deeply rooted in history, politics, and identity. The Northern Ireland Protocol, agreed as part of the Brexit deal, was designed to prevent a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, while also maintaining the integrity of the EU's single market. This was seen as essential for preserving the peace process and avoiding a return to violence on the island of Ireland.

Secondly, it is not accurate to suggest that the EU expects the UK to put a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. In fact, the EU has repeatedly stated that it does not want to see a hard border on the island of Ireland, and that the Northern Ireland Protocol is the best way to achieve this.

Additionally, a hard border could also threaten the Good Friday Agreement, which is widely seen as a cornerstone of peace in Northern Ireland.

In conclusion, the suggestion that the issue of Northern Ireland could be solved overnight by the EU putting a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU is not based on accurate information or a full understanding of the complex issues at play. The Northern Ireland Protocol, while not perfect, was agreed as the best way to maintain peace and stability on the island of Ireland, and it is important that all parties work together to ensure its effective implementation.

I agree 100% with all that. There is another scenario on the horizon and that's a referendum on a united Ireland if there is a perception that the result could be a 'yes'. I think that is recognised within the Good Friday Agreement. And from what I've read that possibility is getting closer. Although Lord knows what the unionist paramilitaries would do in that event.

They will target Dublin. Eire won’t be able to deal with it by themselves and the UK will do its best not to get involved. Will become an EU problem which they won’t be able to deal with either. I served in Belfast from 1990 to 1993. Trust me, there all nuts. But I did Marry one.

[Kai]

A political discussion without Derek27??

I fear something must have happened to him.

[greenmark]

Breaking News "Random Bloke on Internet solves NI problem at last"

Firstly, it is worth noting that the issue of Northern Ireland is complex and deeply rooted in history, politics, and identity. The Northern Ireland Protocol, agreed as part of the Brexit deal, was designed to prevent a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, while also maintaining the integrity of the EU's single market. This was seen as essential for preserving the peace process and avoiding a return to violence on the island of Ireland.

Secondly, it is not accurate to suggest that the EU expects the UK to put a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. In fact, the EU has repeatedly stated that it does not want to see a hard border on the island of Ireland, and that the Northern Ireland Protocol is the best way to achieve this.

Additionally, a hard border could also threaten the Good Friday Agreement, which is widely seen as a cornerstone of peace in Northern Ireland.

In conclusion, the suggestion that the issue of Northern Ireland could be solved overnight by the EU putting a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU is not based on accurate information or a full understanding of the complex issues at play. The Northern Ireland Protocol, while not perfect, was agreed as the best way to maintain peace and stability on the island of Ireland, and it is important that all parties work together to ensure its effective implementation.

I agree 100% with all that. There is another scenario on the horizon and that's a referendum on a united Ireland if there is a perception that the result could be a 'yes'. I think that is recognised within the Good Friday Agreement. And from what I've read that possibility is getting closer. Although Lord knows what the unionist paramilitaries would do in that event.

They will target Dublin. Eire won’t be able to deal with it by themselves and the UK will do its best not to get involved. Will become an EU problem which they won’t be able to deal with either. I served in Belfast from 1990 to 1993. Trust me, there all nuts. But I did Marry one.

Did you detect a difference between Nationalist and Unionist? I mean both factions were involved in violence but were the strategies/mentalities the same? (Obviously an off-thread question but I've been watching with dismay The Troubles and with hope for the Good Friday Agreement for around 50 years, so an authentic voice would be very interesting).