UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[Emmson]

This astonishing news on the Sturgeons calls to mind an old fave. Even discounting this, enough evidence is already in that power corrupts up north too with the Scots Nats.

[greenmark]

This astonishing news on the Sturgeons calls to mind an old fave. Even discounting this, enough evidence is already in that power corrupts up north too with the Scots Nats.

From what I've read about it this is a storm in a teacup. Loaning money to your politcal party. Fundraising for an independence referendum when there isn't one sanctioned. It may all be technically illegal but unless I've missed something looks pretty flimsy stuff. Compare it to Trumps charges and Murrell looks positively angelic.

[sionascaig]

Found the police response pretty weird.. Looked more like a murder investigation what with tents up and loads of officers...

[Archery1969]

Sturgeon knew this was coming, hence she resigned. She was probably tipped off. I don't think this is a storm in a tea cup as some may think.

[Emmson]

Sturgeon knew this was coming, hence she resigned. She was probably tipped off. I don't think this is a storm in a tea cup as some may think.

It's a pattern though that stands out, they are no different to the Tories, power corrupts - it's an eternal truth and if Labour get in and are entrenched in power for years the same will happen to them.

[Archangel]

It's a pattern though that stands out, they are no different to the Tories, power corrupts - it's an eternal truth and if Labour get in and are entrenched in power for years the same will happen to them.

The idea that power corrupts all eventually is a common perception, but it is not entirely accurate. While it is true that some people in positions of power may become corrupt, it is not a foregone conclusion that all individuals who hold power will inevitably become corrupt.

It is also worth noting that corruption is not exclusive to politics, and it can occur in any field where power and influence are present. While it is important to remain vigilant and hold those in power accountable for their actions, it is equally important to recognize that not all individuals are susceptible to corruption, and there are ways to mitigate the risk of corrupt behavior through transparency and accountability measures.

[Emmson]

It's a pattern though that stands out, they are no different to the Tories, power corrupts - it's an eternal truth and if Labour get in and are entrenched in power for years the same will happen to them.

The idea that power corrupts all eventually is a common perception, but it is not entirely accurate. While it is true that some people in positions of power may become corrupt, it is not a foregone conclusion that all individuals who hold power will inevitably become corrupt.

It is also worth noting that corruption is not exclusive to politics, and it can occur in any field where power and influence are present. While it is important to remain vigilant and hold those in power accountable for their actions, it is equally important to recognize that not all individuals are susceptible to corruption, and there are ways to mitigate the risk of corrupt behavior through transparency and accountability measures.

All fair comment!

[firlandsfarm]

Finally, accusing those who disagree with you of being "Remoaners" and suggesting that they are less intelligent is not only disrespectful but also counterproductive to meaningful discussions. It's important to have informed discussions that are based on facts, not on insults and name-calling.

I hope this helps to clarify some of the misconceptions in your argument. Remember, it's okay to change your mind based on new information and evidence.

I must say that your arguments are flawed and unsupported by factual evidence. I'm not going to be dragged further into a debate with no ending. We both have our views and they are different and opposite. So there is no 'firstly', no 'secondly' and no 'thirdly' but there will be a 'finally' ... I never said Remoaners are "less intelligent", perhaps it's time to check those facts you are so keen on! As for your misconception that I have misconceptions ... sorry but that's another incorrect fact.

[Archangel]

I must say that your arguments are flawed and unsupported by factual evidence. I'm not going to be dragged further into a debate with no ending. We both have our views and they are different and opposite. So there is no 'firstly', no 'secondly' and no 'thirdly' but there will be a 'finally' ... I never said Remoaners are "less intelligent", perhaps it's time to check those facts you are so keen on! As for your misconception that I have misconceptions ... sorry but that's another incorrect fact.

let it go dude

[firlandsfarm]

I'm not going to be dragged further into a debate with no ending.

let it go dude

I thought I had!!!!!!

[Derek27]

Don't blame the strikes on inflation, don't blame it on recession, don't blame it on the doctors, blame it on the Barclay.

[Archery1969]

They should all be sacked. Asking for a 35% pay increase is madness. Everyone should be made to have private health care. No ifs, buts or maybe. Country can no longer afford the NHS in its current format.

50% from state
50% from employers and employees

Why do you think South Korea has a great health service. Because somebody has to pay for it.

[greenmark]

They should all be sacked. Asking for a 35% pay increase is madness. Everyone should be made to have private health care. No ifs, buts or maybe. Country can no longer afford the NHS in its current format.

50% from state
50% from employers and employees

Why do you think South Korea has a great health service. Because somebody has to pay for it.

After the credit crunch we had austerity and "we can''t afford this and that" and "there's no fiscal headroom". Covid pops up and suddenly we
are spending and borrowing like crazy.
The truth is the money and fiscal headroom to borrow was always there. But the Tory/Liberal alliance chose not to exploit it due to idealogy.
Faced with extremis we suddenly find billions.
IMO the Tories are willing to let the NHS wither and become so crap that everyone says "Let's get rid of it".

The stuff being bandied about "35% pay rise" woulld give some Juinior doctors a £20,000 rise.
And the unions saying junior doctors are paid as low as £14 per hour.
I haven't been able to find info on these figures. £14 is for a year 1. But they get extra for overtime (which we're told they do a lot of) and unsocial hours and weekends. Fair enough, but if a trainee doctor thinks they aren't going to be working overtime, unsocial hours and weekends, they're in the wrong job.

[Archery1969]

They should all be sacked. Asking for a 35% pay increase is madness. Everyone should be made to have private health care. No ifs, buts or maybe. Country can no longer afford the NHS in its current format.

50% from state
50% from employers and employees

Why do you think South Korea has a great health service. Because somebody has to pay for it.

After the credit crunch we had austerity and "we can''t afford this and that" and "there's no fiscal headroom". Covid pops up and suddenly we
are spending and borrowing like crazy.
The truth is the money and fiscal headroom to borrow was always there. But the Tory/Liberal alliance chose not to exploit it due to idealogy.
Faced with extremis we suddenly find billions.
IMO the Tories are willing to let the NHS wither and become so crap that everyone says "Let's get rid of it".

The stuff being bandied about "35% pay rise" woulld give some Juinior doctors a £20,000 rise.
And the unions saying junior doctors are paid as low as £14 per hour.
I haven't been able to find info on these figures. £14 is for a year 1. But they get extra for overtime (which we're told they do a lot of) and unsocial hours and weekends. Fair enough, but if a trainee doctor thinks they aren't going to be working overtime, unsocial hours and weekends, they're in the wrong job.

+1

Looking at this then I don't think they should be moaning too much. First year is £29,000 basic salary. They can then earn more for overtime and for being on call. Second year it rises further and so on plus they can then further specialise earning much more.

https://www.nhsemployers.org/system/fil ... 1-2022.pdf

[Michael5482]

They should all be sacked. Asking for a 35% pay increase is madness. Everyone should be made to have private health care. No ifs, buts or maybe. Country can no longer afford the NHS in its current format.

50% from state
50% from employers and employees

Why do you think South Korea has a great health service. Because somebody has to pay for it.

Bearing in mind junior doctors haven't had pay rises in line with inflation for over 15 years 35% seems amicable but reckon they'll settle for 25%, take you anger out on the politicians for years of incompetence, suppressing workers pay and rights and not workers fighting for fair pay and conditions. Classic Tory tactics trying to turn the people against the junior doctors as they did with the rail workers (that worked out well for them) when the blame lies at the doorstop of Tory's, lined their own pockets for 13 years now the people are fighting back.

The NHS was a great health service, ran into the ground by successive governments along with miss-management to the the point where there's no option but to privatise it however we still won't end up with the utopia of a South Korean health system as all our politicians and rich will do is milk every penny of privatisation for their own end with contracts awarded to "friends" just look at the Covid contract corruption.

The people who will suffer the most as ever will be the poorest.